Transfers: Someone please explain...

#51
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Voluntarius said:
...why we are not attracting much interest from some of the good players in the portal? I know a better NIL deal is the driving force for many top players, while perhaps playing time is a major consideration for guys buried somewhere on a depth chart. It seems we've lost some quality depth to the portal but have yet to replace any with incoming transfers. Just saw that TAMU just added 5 players in 24 hrs, and Ole Miss is at it again this year as an option for several good players. Has our NIL collective committed so much to guys like Nico and Sanders that we can't afford to shell out for some of these guys shopping around? It just seems that we're never mentioned as a possible landing spot whenever a big name hits the portal. I would love to hear some good analysis from some of our more NIL savvy guys here. I know everyone is focused on Columbus this weekend and not paying much attention to portal additions. Is there a simple explanation I'm missing?
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This same topic came up last year. I think it turned out ok.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Been this way for a long time. A good friend of mine had classes with Travis Henry back in the day. He told me Travis could barely read or write. Said that he had people take tests for him.
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“ I can read. See this shoe? It say Adidas.”
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Wrong. Together they have saved college football from decades of NCAA rules that violated federal law and that exploited the athletes.
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How does amateur sports violate Federal Law. Just because teams cheat and give players benefits they weren't supposed to receive, does not make it illegal. It is purely driven by greed. No COACH, AD, GM, or PLAYER at ANY level deserve the pay they get. I hear the arguments that their careers are short and they have to work REALLY hard so they should get paid more, I call BS. Let them go into the real world and work out here in the plant I am an Engineer at. You have people working 8-12 hours per day welding together frame components that help keep vans and SUVs from disintegrating. It gets cold int he Winter and hot in the summer. These people who are making real contributions that are important, won't make as much as these privileged sports entertainers will in a season. In some cases these "student" athletes will make more in a game then most people in the country make in their lifetime. All to play a GAME. A significant portion will self-destruct because they don't have the tools to handle the money and those around them just want a piece of the pie. NIL was supposed to be the ability of a player to make some extra cash by signing endorsement deals or signing autographs, NOT PAY FOR PLAY. The transfer portal is the same way. The way it is, NIL deals should have a buyout clause if the athlete doesn't stay. You leave, you pay back the NIL money. This is what is wrong with this society, the love of money rules! Money is not the root of all evil, but the love of it (AKA greed) is!
 
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Pride85 said:
How does amateur sports violate Federal Law. Just because teams cheat and give players benefits they weren't supposed to receive, does not make it illegal. It is purely driven by greed. No COACH, AD, GM, or PLAYER at ANY level deserve the pay they get. I hear the arguments that their careers are short and they have to work REALLY hard so they should get paid more, I call BS. Let them go into the real world and work out here in the plant I am an Engineer at. You have people working 8-12 hours per day welding together frame components that help keep vans and SUVs from disintegrating. It gets cold int he Winter and hot in the summer. These people who are making real contributions that are important, won't make as much as these privileged sports entertainers will in a season. In some cases these "student" athletes will make more in a game then most people in the country make in their lifetime. All to play a GAME. A significant portion will self-destruct because they don't have the tools to handle the money and those around them just want a piece of the pie. NIL was supposed to be the ability of a player to make some extra cash by signing endorsement deals or signing autographs, NOT PAY FOR PLAY. The transfer portal is the same way. The way it is, NIL deals should have a buyout clause if the athlete doesn't stay. You leave, you pay back the NIL money. This is what is wrong with this society, the love of money rules! Money is not the root of all evil, but the love of it (AKA greed) is!
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Amateur sport doesn’t violate federal law. Some of the rules they had in place did. The evidence of that is the NCAA lost every single court case they were involved in to try to keep their antiquated rules (and their plantation) in place.

As far as the money goes, you’re right. That welder should be just as important. So should police, teachers and firefighters. But at the end of the day, 100,000 people ain’t paying $200 a ticket to watch that guy weld. It’s called supply and demand. When the demand goes away, the supply will go away. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Not saying I like it. Just the way it is. Folks have a choice. We either continue to watch it and support it or we find other interests.
 
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Pride85 said:
How does amateur sports violate Federal Law.
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By building a business model that rakes in billions while restricting the ability of its players to do the same. It also didn’t help that pretending to be an amateur sport like Little League baseball was an insult to everybody’s intelligence.
 
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Voluntarius said:
...why we are not attracting much interest from some of the good players in the portal? I know a better NIL deal is the driving force for many top players, while perhaps playing time is a major consideration for guys buried somewhere on a depth chart. It seems we've lost some quality depth to the portal but have yet to replace any with incoming transfers. Just saw that TAMU just added 5 players in 24 hrs, and Ole Miss is at it again this year as an option for several good players. Has our NIL collective committed so much to guys like Nico and Sanders that we can't afford to shell out for some of these guys shopping around? It just seems that we're never mentioned as a possible landing spot whenever a big name hits the portal. I would love to hear some good analysis from some of our more NIL savvy guys here. I know everyone is focused on Columbus this weekend and not paying much attention to portal additions. Is there a simple explanation I'm missing?
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It's kind of funny that you mention two flawed programs who fell short of the playoff while we are one of 12 teams left standing. CJH has made it pretty clear that he wants to build a program and establish a culture through recruiting and development while filling holes and adding depth in the portal as opposed to plugging in "free agents" as the leaders and key players.

The programs who will have the most consistent success are still going to be those who build a foundation and a culture from within that portal additions have to fit in order to be considered to be brought into the locker room. Until a portal heavy program is consistently successful, I'll believe that is the best approach.
 
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Pride85 said:
I truly hate the portal and NIL.
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I can live with NIL, which was inevitable because of the NCAA's and the conferences' greed and ostrich-like approach to the issue.

The portal needs some guardrails, but the courts have made it clear that as things stand there won't be any. It appears that the only thing that might establish that is revenue sharing and making the players into employees. Be careful what you wish for.
 
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Voluntarius said:
...why we are not attracting much interest from some of the good players in the portal? I know a better NIL deal is the driving force for many top players, while perhaps playing time is a major consideration for guys buried somewhere on a depth chart. It seems we've lost some quality depth to the portal but have yet to replace any with incoming transfers. Just saw that TAMU just added 5 players in 24 hrs, and Ole Miss is at it again this year as an option for several good players. Has our NIL collective committed so much to guys like Nico and Sanders that we can't afford to shell out for some of these guys shopping around? It just seems that we're never mentioned as a possible landing spot whenever a big name hits the portal. I would love to hear some good analysis from some of our more NIL savvy guys here. I know everyone is focused on Columbus this weekend and not paying much attention to portal additions. Is there a simple explanation I'm missing?
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Pay em a butt load of cash and you can have anyone you want. What a great system!!!! This crap is gonna blow it all up.
 
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Voluntarius said:
...why we are not attracting much interest from some of the good players in the portal? I know a better NIL deal is the driving force for many top players, while perhaps playing time is a major consideration for guys buried somewhere on a depth chart. It seems we've lost some quality depth to the portal but have yet to replace any with incoming transfers. Just saw that TAMU just added 5 players in 24 hrs, and Ole Miss is at it again this year as an option for several good players. Has our NIL collective committed so much to guys like Nico and Sanders that we can't afford to shell out for some of these guys shopping around? It just seems that we're never mentioned as a possible landing spot whenever a big name hits the portal. I would love to hear some good analysis from some of our more NIL savvy guys here. I know everyone is focused on Columbus this weekend and not paying much attention to portal additions. Is there a simple explanation I'm missing?
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1. We are in the playoffs. I don't think any playoff team is currently pulling in a lot players currently in the portal, or at least top rated ones. We are more focused on preparing for the playoffs and competing for a natty.

2. It seems like bringing in potential replacements would be a distraction for the players on the team. Say we target the best WR in the portal and give him a huge NIL deal. What does that say to White, Brazzell, and Matthews? Does that make one of them want to jump in the portal and not play in the playoffs, making us weaker?

3. We've landed some of the biggest names in the portal at critical positions the last couple of years. Heard was a top 20 overall portal player last year and the 3rd best OT (per 247).

4. Portal rankings also don't mean much. I recall everyone talking about Evan Stewart last cycle. He was the top rated portal WR and a lot of people said he was gonna be a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2025. Went to arguably the best offense in the nation at Oregon and he had a worse year than his 2023 season with a hapless A&M team. Meanwhile, Jermod McCoy wasn't rated among the top 10 portal CBs and now he's one of the best CBs in the nation and a likely 1st or 2nd round draft pick in 2026.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
At this point they might as well drop the whole "student athlete" facade, eliminate the academic requirements, and make the players contract employees of the university. I do not believe for one second these guys are getting a true education. How can they be? You ever notice, you NEVER hear about any of these players struggling with eligibility because of grades anymore. I seriously doubt it's because players have gotten smarter over the years.
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What’s curious is that despite this, it seems like a lot of our recruits lately are better students than in years past. Williams-Thomas, who transferred out, was pre-med I believe. Sampson bragged coming out of high school that his GPA was higher than his 40 time. David Sanders apparently has ambitions of going to med school. I’m sure there are myriad other examples and counter-examples.

We also have more academic support than in the past though, making it harder for guys to become academically ineligible in the first place.
 
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Delmar said:
Amateur sport doesn’t violate federal law. Some of the rules they had in place did. The evidence of that is the NCAA lost every single court case they were involved in to try to keep their antiquated rules (and their plantation) in place.

As far as the money goes, you’re right. That welder should be just as important. So should police, teachers and firefighters. But at the end of the day, 100,000 people ain’t paying $200 a ticket to watch that guy weld. It’s called supply and demand. When the demand goes away, the supply will go away. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Not saying I like it. Just the way it is. Folks have a choice. We either continue to watch it and support it or we find other interests.
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There is an inherent flaw that drives this type of thing. People who have money because of something that they created to benefit others are constantly vilified as being evil, but millionaires+ who gain there wealth by a random athletic gift that benefits no one but themselves are applauded. Its not a race thing, a significant number of "minorities" rank amongst those who have earned their fortunes. This is the same sort of "supply and Demand" that drug dealers and sports books use........Oh yeah, who is it that really drives sports?
 
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Pride85 said:
There is an inherent flaw that drives this type of thing. People who have money because of something that they created to benefit others are constantly vilified as being evil, but millionaires+ who gain there wealth by a random athletic gift that benefits no one but themselves are applauded. It’s not a race thing, a significant number of "minorities" rank amongst those who have earned their fortunes. This is the same sort of "supply and Demand" that drug dealers and sports books use........Oh yeah, who is it that really drives sports?
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Simple. The customer drives all businesses. No customers, no business. Supply and demand drives ALL businesses legal or illegal.

And I don’t believe for a minute that all millionaires are vilified. The ones who are vilified are the ones who obviously care about one thing-themselves-and don’t give back. Or got their millions by questionable or illegal means. Plenty of examples of that. Yes, there are plenty of idiot athletes but there are more that routinely give back. Also, those with certain “athletic gifts” are certainly benefitting more than themselves. People pay money for enjoyment and those athletes are providing it to a lot of folks. If not, I’m not sure what those hundreds of thousands in attendance and the millions watching on TV are doing. Seems like it would be a big waste if they are paying money to punish themselves. Only masochists do that.
 
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Voluntarius said:
...why we are not attracting much interest from some of the good players in the portal? I know a better NIL deal is the driving force for many top players, while perhaps playing time is a major consideration for guys buried somewhere on a depth chart. It seems we've lost some quality depth to the portal but have yet to replace any with incoming transfers. Just saw that TAMU just added 5 players in 24 hrs, and Ole Miss is at it again this year as an option for several good players. Has our NIL collective committed so much to guys like Nico and Sanders that we can't afford to shell out for some of these guys shopping around? It just seems that we're never mentioned as a possible landing spot whenever a big name hits the portal. I would love to hear some good analysis from some of our more NIL savvy guys here. I know everyone is focused on Columbus this weekend and not paying much attention to portal additions. Is there a simple explanation I'm missing?
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We currently have 7 starters who came from the portal. We utilize it as well as anyone.
 
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farmdogvol said:
Marshall lost 36 players to the portal, including 3 QBs. They have dropped out of their bowl game because they don't have enough players left to field a team. UT has players coming in they just aren't being very vocal about it. It is the same as last year. CJH did just fine in the portal without making a lot of noise.
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Woww!!! A lot of those kids spent a year in Huntington and realized it is hell on earth there !!! Go vols !
 
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VolCalls said:
I'd say your last statement is the answer. Our coaches are focusing every waking minute on preparing for Ohio State, as they should.
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Truth. In a way, playoff teams are slightly punished because teams who are in meaningless bowl games (any bowl game not in the playoff) can focus a lot more of their attention to managing the portal.
 
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