Trickle Down Economics/Debt Deal

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nbakerld said:
Just like entitlements our propensity to wage foreign conflict is never-ending. The slippery slope ensures more war in the future which will continue to be very costly.
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Actually it's nothing like entitlements.
 
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#227
altidore17 said:
Man you're just hoping to God that I'm a liberal aren't you? There's more to be a liberal than thinking raising taxes on the rich is ok. Haha chill guy maybe the economy would benefit from the Braves winning the world series? That's my view
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ok tell us how he has been a pushover?
 
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#228
altidore17 said:
Man you're just hoping to God that I'm a liberal aren't you? There's more to be a liberal than thinking raising taxes on the rich is ok. Haha chill guy maybe the economy would benefit from the Braves winning the world series? That's my view
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You can call yourself whatever you want. But your views of taxing the rich and giving money to the middle class to spend more is decidedly liberal.
 
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#229
nbakerld said:
Just like entitlements our propensity to wage foreign conflict is never-ending. The slippery slope ensures more war in the future which will continue to be very costly.
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Benevolent hegemony? We have interests all over the globe. Our propensity for unilateralism is the only slippery slope I see, and some see it as an American exceptionalism and a given. Really, it's hard not to be involved in foreign conflict with unipolarity.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Explain the slippery slope? If it exists, presumable the Revolutionary War is the culprit, rather than greedy man.

For my money, greedy man is the root of the problem and it isn't ever going to be solved.
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"Unauthorized" war. If congress has to declare war we aren't likely to get a lot of it. But with the emergence of the federal reserve* and presidential war powers we can clearly see the slippery slope. Look at how many engagements we've had since Korea and compare that to the 180 years prior to that.

*we no longer pay for war through direct taxation
 
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Im curious as to how the middle class is to get jobs and income to purchase stuff. Where does that come from?
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nbakerld said:
I understand all that, but I disagree with it. We've had it out over this in the past. I don't think we can stop terrorists because of the nature of terror, and I don't think we improve our own national security by positioning soldiers all over the world because I don't think another country is likely to attack us at all. When was the last time a country as large and wealthy as the US was invaded?
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Too much Southern Avenger, baker.
 
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#233
nbakerld said:
I understand all that, but I disagree with it. We've had it out over this in the past. I don't think we can stop terrorists because of the nature of terror, and I don't think we improve our own national security by positioning soldiers all over the world because I don't think another country is likely to attack us at all. When was the last time a country as large and wealthy as the US was invaded?
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I think Afghanistan was necessary to weaken Al Qaeda, but I still don't see much reason to invade Iraq. I have family that went over there when the conflict began so in part that's why I am against Iraq as well. I also don't think it gave us any sort of advantage either in the ME.
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tigervol9802 said:
Im curious as to how the middle class is to get jobs and income to purchase stuff. Where does that come from?
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the rich man. raise taxes on the rich and the money will flow to everyone. it's so easy man
 
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golfballs03 said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. But your views of taxing the rich and giving money to the middle class to spend more is decidedly liberal.
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Yes from an economics view I would be considered a liberal. But my views on abortion, the death sentence, and other things probably aren't viewed as such. There's multiple sides to each story.
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droski said:
the rich man. raise taxes on the rich and the money will flow to everyone. it's so easy man
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So what you are saying is that raising taxes on the rich will cause them to hire more people?

So a tax credit for jobs produced/wages paid is bad, right?
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altidore17 said:
I think Afghanistan was necessary to weaken Al Qaeda, but I still don't see much reason to invade Iraq. I have family that went over there when the conflict began so in part that's why I am against Iraq as well. I also don't think it gave us any sort of advantage either in the ME.
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That's funny because Al Qaeda is now larger than ever in terms of recruitment.
 
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#239
tigervol9802 said:
Im curious as to how the middle class is to get jobs and income to purchase stuff. Where does that come from?
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Like I said earlier I don't know or I would be in the White House. A lot of people need to get of their azzes and go to college for one. Pumping money into the educational field couldn't hurt either. That could be a good discussion in itself. Too bad droski and slopballs just like to hear themselves talk instead of reading what's actually said though haha.
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altidore17 said:
Like I said earlier I don't know or I would be in the White House. A lot of people need to get of their azzes and go to college for one. Pumping money into the educational field couldn't hurt either. That could be a good discussion in itself. Too bad droski and slopballs just like to hear themselves talk instead of reading what's actually said though haha.
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So trickle down is bad, but you don't know what is good?

And how does putting money into education help create income to spend?
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#242
altidore17 said:
Like I said earlier I don't know or I would be in the White House. A lot of people need to get of their azzes and go to college for one. Pumping money into the educational field couldn't hurt either. That could be a good discussion in itself. Too bad droski and slopballs just like to hear themselves talk instead of reading what's actually said though haha.
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you mean pump money into something we're already the top spender in the world at but our results are terrible?
 
#243
#243
altidore17 said:
Like I said earlier I don't know or I would be in the White House. A lot of people need to get of their azzes and go to college for one. Pumping money into the educational field couldn't hurt either. That could be a good discussion in itself. Too bad droski and slopballs just like to hear themselves talk instead of reading what's actually said though haha.
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ridiculous. too many people are currently going to college. i've read everything you've said and sadly you have not stood behind your beliefs and defended your opinions. and once again. why has obama been a pushover?
 
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nbakerld said:
That's funny because Al Qaeda is now larger than ever in terms of recruitment.
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You can't really believe they'll be stronger without bin laden? We accrued a ton of intelligence when we raided his compound as well. I think we definitely weakened them I don't think recruitment numbers tell the whole tale.

Terrorists are always going to be out there, I just think we showed them that we aren't afraid to go out there and hunt them down no matter where they are.
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tigervol9802 said:
So trickle down is bad, but you don't know what is good?

And how does putting money into education help create income to spend?
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Trickle down just doesn't work in my opinion from what I've read on the subject. I think if we put more focus on early childhood development it would pay dividends down the road to get more qualified people in the workplace and create more job opportunities.

And please if you know what is good let us all know because I haven't seen a successful plan yet.
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#246
I mentioned this earlier, I would favor new larger tax cuts for business owners that create domestic jobs. I hear much plausible talk on climate, talk of tax hikes, etc are what is preventing reinvestment. As a result, the tax cuts are not producing what they are intended to produce, jobs. Tie the tax cuts to reinvestment and domestic job creation; don't hope that's what they will be used for by business. I would argue for larger tax cuts, if they were tied directly to reinvestment in US companies that create quality domestic jobs.

I still say that the middle class could use a tax cut. Demand fuels the economy. For there to be demand, there has to be a larger percentage of the population other than the upper 10% with the buying power to create the demand required to sustain a lasting recovery.:hi:
 
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altidore17 said:
You can't really believe they'll be stronger without bin laden? We accrued a ton of intelligence when we raided his compound as well. I think we definitely weakened them I don't think recruitment numbers tell the whole tale.

Terrorists are always going to be out there, I just think we showed them that we aren't afraid to go out there and hunt them down no matter where they are.
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Yeah, the big, bad, wealthy, advanced US isn't scared. We really showed them. And we now have more Al Qaeda to worry about to show for it.
 
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#248
droski said:
ridiculous. too many people are currently going to college. i've read everything you've said and sadly you have not stood behind your beliefs and defended your opinions. and once again. why has obama been a pushover?
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There's more to the educational system than college. Childhood development in the US is atrocious compared to China and Japan. So yes, putting money into that phase of education would be good in my book.
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#250
#250
altidore17 said:
A) Like I said earlier I don't know or I would be in the White House. B) A lot of people need to get of their azzes and go to college for one.
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A) my guess is that you wouldn't be in the WH, I'd suspect you'd be in the private sector creating jobs.

B) The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
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