True Freshmen QB's -All you hear is..........

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1. It can't work, and
2. You ruin the QB by putting them in too early.

There are plenty of examples of QB stories over the last 25 years that will back up the "can't work" statement, but that got me to thinking about QB's that debunk (even if only partially) the argument.

Sure, the examples are limited and there are some pretty good quarterbacks that were not very good as freshman, and to point to number two didn't exactly "ruin" them. (Mettenberger, Freeman, Quinn, Bridgewater, etc.)

Going back to 2003, the following true freshmen led their teams to pretty good seasons. I didn't include redshirt freshmen.

Jeffrey Godfrey UCF 2010

Terrelle Pryor Ohio St 2008

Matt Barkley USC 2009

Kevin Kolb Houston 2003

Robert Griffin Baylor 2008

Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech 2007

Nate Davis Ball St 2006

Spencer Keith Kent St 2009


Most of these guys had a pretty rough freshmen year, but it didn't keep them from having good college careers. Not to mention they ALL showed flashes in their initial year and provided the BIG play ability that Butch Jones is looking for.

All in all, it will be interesting to see how this year plays out with regard to the QB position. I think finding the right quarterback this year is more important than redshirting either of them. (if one rises to the top) This way, we can go into next year with a little momentum at the most important position on the field.

When it comes down to it though, I trust Butch and his evaluation of the QB position over my limited findings (some of which was courtesy of a Michigan blog). Wishing the Vols the best of success this weekend against Florida, regardless of the QB leading us. :salute:

Go Vols.
 
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OSVolFan said:
1. It can't work, and
2. You ruin the QB by putting them in too early.

There are plenty of examples of QB stories over the last 25 years that will back up the "can't work" statement, but that got me to thinking about QB's that debunk (even if only partially) the argument.

Sure, the examples are limited and there are some pretty good quarterbacks that were not very good as freshman, and to point to number two didn't exactly "ruin" them. (Mettenberger, Freeman, Quinn, Bridgewater, etc.)

Going back to 2003, the following true freshmen led their teams to pretty good seasons. I didn't include redshirt freshmen.

Jeffrey Godfrey UCF 2010

Terrelle Pryor Ohio St 2008

Matt Barkley USC 2009

Kevin Kolb Houston 2003

Robert Griffin Baylor 2008

Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech 2007

Nate Davis Ball St 2006

Spencer Keith Kent St 2009


Most of these guys had a pretty rough freshmen year, but it didn't keep them from having good college careers. Not to mention they ALL showed flashes in their initial year and provided the BIG play ability that Butch Jones is looking for.

All in all, it will be interesting to see how this year plays out with regard to the QB position. I think finding the right quarterback this year is more important than redshirting either of them. (if one rises to the top) This way, we can go into next year with a little momentum at the most important position on the field.

When it comes down to it though, I trust Butch and his evaluation of the QB position over my limited findings (some of which was courtesy of a Michigan blog). Wishing the Vols the best of success this weekend against Florida, regardless of the QB leading us. :salute:

Go Vols.
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Those q.b.'s had a supporting cast of a defense, an offensive line and a couple of running backs. We don't have that to take the pressure off of Peterman, Fergy, or Dobbs.... Big difference.
 
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Wes Rucker said on TN sports radio to have a freshman qb make his debut in the swamp would be crazy in his opinion.
 
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Worley will not gives us a chance against Florida. Gotta have another threat. When we can run the ball, get some completions in the passing game, and then have the threat of the QB scrambling for 10-20 yards then we will have the best shot of overcoming this defense and ending this horrendous streak and making it a rivalry again...another loss or two and it's just a game on the schedule.
 
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I say put the worst one in and maybe he will quit and open up more schollys for next year. All I can say is I hope palardy don't get hurt he's half our offense and defense
 
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OSVolFan said:
1. It can't work, and
2. You ruin the QB by putting them in too early.

There are plenty of examples of QB stories over the last 25 years that will back up the "can't work" statement, but that got me to thinking about QB's that debunk (even if only partially) the argument.

Sure, the examples are limited and there are some pretty good quarterbacks that were not very good as freshman, and to point to number two didn't exactly "ruin" them. (Mettenberger, Freeman, Quinn, Bridgewater, etc.)

Going back to 2003, the following true freshmen led their teams to pretty good seasons. I didn't include redshirt freshmen.

Jeffrey Godfrey UCF 2010

Terrelle Pryor Ohio St 2008

Matt Barkley USC 2009

Kevin Kolb Houston 2003

Robert Griffin Baylor 2008

Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech 2007

Nate Davis Ball St 2006

Spencer Keith Kent St 2009


Most of these guys had a pretty rough freshmen year, but it didn't keep them from having good college careers. Not to mention they ALL showed flashes in their initial year and provided the BIG play ability that Butch Jones is looking for.

All in all, it will be interesting to see how this year plays out with regard to the QB position. I think finding the right quarterback this year is more important than redshirting either of them. (if one rises to the top) This way, we can go into next year with a little momentum at the most important position on the field.

When it comes down to it though, I trust Butch and his evaluation of the QB position over my limited findings (some of which was courtesy of a Michigan blog). Wishing the Vols the best of success this weekend against Florida, regardless of the QB leading us. :salute:

Go Vols.
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RG3 won 8 games his first two years.



We have a good o-line, a solid run-d, a few backs who the verdict is still out on but I think they would excel in this type of offense if the defense didn't already know they were getting the ball 100% of the time on the read option.

Just take a look at Ole Miss folks. That defense is not spectacular by any means, but Bo Wallace (a TN kid), has kept it 35 times and handed the ball off about 70 times to the other 3 backs. You take away those 35 carries, and ole miss is 1-2.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
its pretty sad when a gator is the voice of reason on this site.

if any of you were better at evaluating talent, you would be making the millions instead of butch
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I trust that CBJ is still a first year coach in the SEC, and he gonna make some mistakes.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Those q.b.'s had a supporting cast of a defense, an offensive line and a couple of running backs. We don't have that to take the pressure off of Peterman, Fergy, or Dobbs.... Big difference.
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So would you rather the defense be chasing a slow azz Worley or a nimble Dobbs or Ferguson
 
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VOLfrombama said:
its pretty sad when a gator is the voice of reason on this site.

if any of you were better at evaluating talent, you would be making the millions instead of butch
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Could you imagine if half the posters on here were coaches? The 1st bad pass a QB threw in practice, he would be benched, kicked off the team immediately, and possibly executed by a firing squad.

All of that after publicly proclaiming their greatness all pre-season.
 
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soda23 said:
So would you rather the defense be chasing a slow azz Worley or a nimble Dobbs or Ferguson
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I'd rather leave it up to butch, and you don't know if Dobbs or ferguson are nimble....

Btw they are like 180-190 pounds, if a linebacker gets ahold of them, going to be a bad day. If we are going run, give it to peterman, if we are goin to throw, give it too worley.

Worley=Better passer
Peterman= Better runner

Dobbs or Ferguson=?????? Who knows
 
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If you're ever going to play your freshman QBs then play them NOW while you have your best O line. You want to start them next year behind the O line we will have then ?
 
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I am not an insider, I have no connections or anything like that. But my guess is that the QB who practices the best will start just like Butch said. Beyond that I think that we will see some QB by committee with packages geared at complimenting what each QB does best and/or better than the other QB's. It may not be limited to just which QB throws better and which QB runs better and sticking one in on run plays and the other on pass plays. IMHO it might be our best running QB in for running plays but also have a passing package that best suits his skills.
Just my guess on the situation.
 
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Start as freshman or start as sophomore your first start is still your first start. What does it really matter.
 
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Well so far Butch has been pretty high on both freshmen. Sounds like Peterman is out of the mix. Worley's play has pretty much taken him out of the mix. You could tell when he had to press to get the offense going he couldn't handle it. I understand we were missing two key slot guys. Although you cannot make excuses. He hasn't been able to throw the deep ball at all. You have to be able to stretch the field. We have WR's that should be able to stretch the field on folks.
 
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I say play the freshmen now while expectations are low. It's only year one, were gonna struggle might as well build for future. Allow him to grow with young WRs not to mention we will have lane back and Hurd joining. I believe the best way to go us start ferguson let him take his lumps and learn. He is a winner and a leader his intangibles are great. Plus he is athletic enough to run read option.
 
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