Trump Leading Witness Revenge Acts

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USAFgolferVol said:
I consider him a traitor for accepting Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies.........
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...because he (Trump) protested their (FBI and intel) invalid, illegal use of Russian propaganda - paid for by his political opponent - and largely constructed by another, antagonistic, foreign agent (Steele) to prevent his election and failing that, to remove him from office. Hell, they even falsified FISA warrants to prop up the request for a special counsel, and repeatedly falsified by omission numerous times to keep the circus going. In fact, there's nothing Democrats have not accused Trump of that they actually didn't do themselves.

Clarity.

Of all those people and entities, Trump was the one telling the damned truth the whole time.
 
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NCFisher said:
What?
Sondland made a reckless assumption which makes him unfit to continue serving the man he imperiled with his assumption. There's no question he had to go.

Double that for Vindman, unelected bureaucrat whose psychotic break with reality is that he - or other un-elected bureaucrats - position U.S. policy rather than the person unilaterally endowed that power by our constitution.

On what planet are these people NOT frog-marched out??
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What specifically did Gordon Sondland testify to that has been proven wrong? Were they really "assumptions" or well-informed and probable conclusions based on what he had been told? Of course, keeping Sen. Lamar Alexander's statement in mind, where Alexander also makes it clear that he believes Donald Trump withheld aid to the Ukraine as a means of encouraging the Ukrainians to investigate Joe Biden and his son.

As for the portion of the statement that I placed in bold, that is hyperbole which makes it clear that you are a partisan. Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman was on the July 25th phone call and gave first hand information of the call, which concurred with the summary of the call that the White House had already made public.

Finally, it is an abuse of power for an elected official to position U.S. policy (in this case, the withholding of pledged aid to an ally) as a means of encouraging a personal favor (in this case, publicly announcing an investigation into a potential election opponent). That is precisely what Trump did. Just as Sen. Alexander's statement specifically mentioned:

"There is no need for more evidence to prove that the president asked Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter; he said this on television on October 3, 2019, and during his July 25, 2019, telephone call with the president of Ukraine. There is no need for more evidence to conclude that the president withheld United States aid, at least in part, to pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens; the House managers have proved this with what they call a 'mountain of overwhelming evidence.' - Senator Lamar Alexander (R - Tennessee)
 
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NCFisher said:
...because he (Trump) protested their (FBI and intel) invalid, illegal use of Russian propaganda - paid for by his political opponent - and largely constructed by another, antagonistic, foreign agent (Steele) to prevent his election and failing that, to remove him from office. Hell, they even falsified FISA warrants to prop up the request for a special counsel, and repeatedly falsified by omission numerous times to keep the circus going. In fact, there's nothing Democrats have not accused Trump of that they actually didn't do themselves.

Clarity.

Of all those people and entities, Trump was the one telling the damned truth the whole time.
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You just made that guys liberal head explode. Good job
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What specifically did Gordon Sondland testify to that has been proven wrong? Were they really "assumptions" or well-informed and probable conclusions based on what he had been told? Of course, keeping Sen. Lamar Alexander's statement in mind, where Alexander also makes it clear that he believes Donald Trump withheld aid to the Ukraine as a means of encouraging the Ukrainians to investigate Joe Biden and his son.

As for the portion of the statement that I placed in bold, that is hyperbole which makes it clear that you are a partisan. Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman was on the July 25th phone call and gave first hand information of the call, which concurred with the summary of the call that the White House had already made public.

Finally, it is an abuse of power for an elected official to position U.S. policy (in this case, the withholding of pledged aid to an ally) as a means of encouraging a personal favor (in this case, publicly announcing an investigation into a potential election opponent). That is precisely what Trump did. Just as Sen. Alexander's statement specifically mentioned:

"There is no need for more evidence to prove that the president asked Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter; he said this on television on October 3, 2019, and during his July 25, 2019, telephone call with the president of Ukraine. There is no need for more evidence to conclude that the president withheld United States aid, at least in part, to pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens; the House managers have proved this with what they call a 'mountain of overwhelming evidence.' - Senator Lamar Alexander (R - Tennessee)
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Lol still clinging to Lamar. Your such an obvious hack. Get over it dude. Lamar is on the way out. Vindy the insubordinate ( his superiors ) words. And Donald J Trump is still your President for the next 5 years. Moles like Vindy take note you will be exposed as well. He ain't the President no matter what he thinks. If you want to talk real evidence release the ICIG transcript and let's start there. Otherwise keep on whining while we keep kicking your a$$.
 
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vols40 said:
Lol still clinging to Lamar. Your such an obvious hack. Get over it dude. Lamar is on the way out. Vindy the insubordinate ( his superiors ) words. And Donald J Trump is still your President for the next 5 years. Moles like Vindy take note you will be exposed as well. He ain't the President no matter what he thinks. If you want to talk real evidence release the ICIG transcript and let's start there. Otherwise keep on whining while we keep kicking your a$$.
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How intelligent and mature of you. Your post is overheated, emotional drivel.

Why does it matter if Sen. Alexander is on the way out? He is a Republican and his statement is serving as the definitive Senate Republican opinion on these proceedings, at least until that statement is denounced by a fellow Republican Senator.... and it won't be, because that statement was certainly drafted with the assistance of the Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, with their fellow Republicans in the Senate having been briefed on it's content before it was posted to Twitter. Fellow Republican Senators Marco Rubio, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, John Kennedy and Mitt Romney have all made very similar statements publicly.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How intelligent and mature of you. Your post is overheated, emotional drivel.

Why does it matter if Sen. Alexander is on the way out? He is a Republican and his statement is serving as the definitive Senate Republican opinion on these proceedings, at least until that statement is denounced by a fellow Republican Senator.... and it won't be, because that statement was certainly drafted with the assistance of the Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, with their fellow Republicans in the Senate having been briefed on it's content before it was posted to Twitter. Fellow Republican Senators Marco Rubio, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, John Kennedy and Mitt Romney have all made very similar statements publicly.
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And yet they all with the exception of failed presidential candidate voted to acquit. Let me try to explain that so you can understand HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.

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There is no hope for your side that Derek Dooley is involved so there won't be another play ran. Which means you lost.

But by all means please let Schifty and Nadler keep beating the drum. I dare you. You are used to a republican just caving when you say racist. Well guess what this President doesn't care. In fact he dares you. So just sit back expect to lose and enjoy us winning.
 
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vols40 said:
And yet they all with the exception of failed presidential candidate voted to acquit. Let me try to explain that so you can understand HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.

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There is no hope for your side that Derek Dooley is involved so there won't be another play ran. Which means you lost.

But by all means please let Schifty and Nadler keep beating the drum. I dare you. You are used to a republican just caving when you say racist. Well guess what this President doesn't care. In fact he dares you. So just sit back expect to lose and enjoy us winning.
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It doesn't matter how many times you say this part in bold. My counter argument doesn't have to change:

That is not what Sen. Lamar Alexander said in his statement... nor is what Sen. Susan Collins said on Fox News last week, or what Sen. Marco Rubio has publicly said. It is not what Sen. Mitt Romney said before his vote to convict. The opinions of those people matter. Yours does not. Trump was guilty as charged under Article I : Abuse of Power. He did exactly what Democrats in the House accused him of doing. Senate Republicans (except for Romney) just don't think he should be punished for it. This wasn't a hoax or a sham. Trump was guilty.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It doesn't matter how many times you say this part in bold. My counter argument doesn't have to change:

That is not what Sen. Lamar Alexander said in his statement... nor is what Sen. Susan Collins said on Fox News last week, or what Sen. Marco Rubio has publicly said. It is not what Sen. Mitt Romney said before his vote to convict. The opinions of those people matter. Yours does not. Trump was guilty as charged under Article I : Abuse of Power. He did exactly what Democrats in the House accused him of doing. Senate Republicans (except for Romney) just don't think he should be punished for it. This wasn't a hoax or a sham. Trump was guilty.
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Hey Einstein then that means what your lackeys brought forth was not impeachable. If you honestly think this is anything more than sour grapes over losing an election you are crazy. So stop acting like this is something that isn't done by all Presidents. Using your logic Republicans should have Impeached Obama over good Russian hot mic comment. You are such a tool and you deserve weasels like Nadler and Schift. But hey at least we impeached him. Just sit back and remember when a Dem president is impeached for something as petty. And whether you like it or not I enjoy seeing your side get their A$$ handed to them. And it's just starting. See you losing!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It doesn't matter how many times you say this part in bold. My counter argument doesn't have to change:

That is not what Sen. Lamar Alexander said in his statement... nor is what Sen. Susan Collins said on Fox News last week, or what Sen. Marco Rubio has publicly said. It is not what Sen. Mitt Romney said before his vote to convict. The opinions of those people matter. Yours does not. Trump was guilty as charged under Article I : Abuse of Power. He did exactly what Democrats in the House accused him of doing. Senate Republicans (except for Romney) just don't think he should be punished for it. This wasn't a hoax or a sham. Trump was guilty.
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Trump was guilty? Pretty sure the jury disagrees.

Trump was guilty is what losers who don't understand that it only takes 34 votes for acquittal.
Acquittal=not guilty
Lol
 
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NCFisher said:
...because he (Trump) protested their (FBI and intel) invalid, illegal use of Russian propaganda - paid for by his political opponent - and largely constructed by another, antagonistic, foreign agent (Steele) to prevent his election and failing that, to remove him from office. Hell, they even falsified FISA warrants to prop up the request for a special counsel, and repeatedly falsified by omission numerous times to keep the circus going. In fact, there's nothing Democrats have not accused Trump of that they actually didn't do themselves.

Clarity.

Of all those people and entities, Trump was the one telling the damned truth the whole time.
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The intelligence collected by our intelligence community regarding the hacking of the Democratic National Committee was completely unrelated to the Steele Dossier or to the question of collusion. President Donald Trump sided with Vladimir Putin's denial of Russian interference into the 2016 Presidential election campaign (including the hacking of the DNC) on July 16, 2018 in a press conference in Helsinki, Finland when he said the following:

"My people came to me, (Director of National Intelligence) Dan Coats came to me and some others saying they think it's Russia (who hacked the Democratic National Committee). I have President Putin, he just said it's not Russia. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be." - President Donald Trump, spoken on July 16, 2018.

Now, here is one simple question for you... if Donald Trump is sure of this, and he has that much trust in Putin and that much distrust in his own intelligence community, including the Director he had appointed (Dan Coats), then why did Trump backtrack the very next day and (absurdly!) claim that he had simply misspoken? President Trump did a complete 180 degree turn when he was asked about it in front of a White House press pool on July 17, 2018 and claimed that he had actually meant to say "... I will say this, I don't see any reason why it WOULDN'T be." Nobody bought it. While in Helsinki, Trump thought he could get away with siding with Putin, but then he didn't get any cover from Fox News or from Republicans in Congress, so he did this stupid backtrack and tried to blame the press for it - because they should have known what he meant to say... or something like that.
 
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vols40 said:
Trump was guilty? Pretty sure the jury disagrees.

Trump was guilty is what losers who don't understand that it only takes 34 votes for acquittal.
Acquittal=not guilty
Lol
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In this instance, an acquittal doesn't mean "Didn't do it." Senator Alexander's statement makes it very clear that the House Managers proved their case under Article I : Abuse of Power in the Articles of Impeachment.
 
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vols40 said:
Hey Einstein then that means what your lackeys brought forth was not impeachable. If you honestly think this is anything more than sour grapes over losing an election you are crazy. So stop acting like this is something that isn't done by all Presidents. Using your logic Republicans should have Impeached Obama over good Russian hot mic comment. You are such a tool and you deserve weasels like Nadler and Schift. But hey at least we impeached him. Just sit back and remember when a Dem president is impeached for something as petty. And whether you like it or not I enjoy seeing your side get their A$$ handed to them. And it's just starting. See you losing!
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It's not done by other presidents and it shouldn't be acceptable. This is an attempt to normalize Trump's conduct by claiming (without providing any proof) that what Trump did was a routine practice. No, it's not. Whether or not it justified impeachment, depends on who you ask. Some Constitutional scholars will say that it doesn't and some (such as Laurence Tribe) will say that it does.

And you also threw in a completely lame and totally inapplicable shot at "what-about-ism".... Nice.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
In this instance, an acquittal doesn't mean "Didn't do it." Senator Alexander's statement makes it very clear that the House Managers proved their case under Article I : Abuse of Power in the Articles of Impeachment.
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Still acquitted. And there's nothing you nor Lamar can do.

So much sadness coming from the opposing locker room. In case you were wondering you lost both

52-47+1 who eats lunch alone
53-47

Combine those with the Mueller report and it's 3-0.

Winning.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's not done by other presidents and it shouldn't be acceptable. This is an attempt to normalize Trump's conduct by claiming (without providing any proof) that what Trump did was a routine practice. No, it's not. Whether or not it justified impeachment, depends on who ask. Some Constitutional scholars will say that it doesn't and some (such as Laurence Tribe) will say that it does.

And you also threw in a completely lame and totally inapplicable shot at "what-about-ism".... Nice.
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He released the transcript of the call and your idiot side still pushed on the gas. Lol. Please keep defending a schmuck like Schift and the Republican party may never lose again.
 
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vols40 said:
Still acquitted. And there's nothing you nor Lamar can do.

So much sadness coming from the opposing locker room. In case you were wondering you lost both

52-47+1 who eats lunch alone
53-47

Combine those with the Mueller report and it's 3-0.

Winning.
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But Lamar voted for acquittal???? That was a dumb thing to say. Sen. Alexander's statement carries weight and has credibility because he is not a "never Trumper" and he didn't vote to convict. His statement was what he believes.... the House managers proved their case against Trump.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's not done by other presidents and it shouldn't be acceptable. This is an attempt to normalize Trump's conduct by claiming (without providing any proof) that what Trump did was a routine practice. No, it's not. Whether or not it justified impeachment, depends on who you ask. Some Constitutional scholars will say that it doesn't and some (such as Laurence Tribe) will say that it does.

And you also threw in a completely lame and totally inapplicable shot at "what-about-ism".... Nice.
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According to Joe Biden your statement is not true. But call me crazy I am just listening to what Joe himself says.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
But Lamar voted for acquittal???? That was a dumb thing to say. Sen. Alexander's statement carries weight and has credibility because he is not a "never Trumper" and he didn't vote to convict. His statement was what he believes.... the House managers proved their case against Trump.
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52-48
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Says otherwise
 
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vols40 said:
According to Joe Biden your statement is not true. But call me crazy I am just listening to what Joe himself says.
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Joe Biden has never said that it is okay to withhold aid authorized by Congress, for the purpose of extracting a campaign favor from a foreign government.
 
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vols40 said:
He released the transcript of the call and your idiot side still pushed on the gas. Lol. Please keep defending a schmuck like Schift and the Republican party may never lose again.
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The White House released a summary of the call, not a verbatim transcript, and it didn't help Trump's case. Once again, Sen. Alexander's statement points that out.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Once again, an acquittal does not mean "Didn't do it". Sen. Alexander's statement explains this very well.
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Just because your side was thwarting every attempt to look at Ukraine corruption doesn't mean the president can't do it.
Winning. And what are you going to do when you aren't able to vote for Plaid shirt this November? Lol

Winning
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The White House released a summary of the call, not a verbatim transcript, and it didn't help Trump's case. Once again, Sen. Alexander's statement points that out.
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Lol. Keep making our case.
It's a transcript but not the real transcript. You are dangerous soul if you are advocating that calls with foreign leaders should be made public.
 
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