Trump on track for Supreme Court Victory on Census Citizenship Question

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Weezer said:
So how does asking whether or not they're a citizen go against being counted? You still get a total count, just with the added benefit of knowing who is and is not a citizen.
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The purpose of the question is to scare people who are illegals, have illegals in the home, or simply worry that their status might be questioned as a pretext to ousting them.

The enumeration clause of the Constitution explicitly states that every ten years there is supposed to be a count of all "persons" in the country. Not citizens.

Does the census actually count everyone and should it? - National Constitution Center

Good, neutral article discusses the history.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The purpose of the question is to scare people who are illegals, have illegals in the home, or simply worry that their status might be questioned as a pretext to ousting them.

The enumeration clause of the Constitution explicitly states that every ten years there is supposed to be a count of all "persons" in the country. Not citizens.

Does the census actually count everyone and should it? - National Constitution Center

Good, neutral article discusses the history.
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Pretty sure the question is are you a citizen. Not are you here legally.

Even if we know they arent citizens they are still counted so the enumeration clause is still met.
 
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luthervol said:
Are you insinuating that the words and intent of the constitution should be viewed through the filter of how things have changed? I tend to agree.
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Nope nice try though. I absolutely believe the intent was to accurately enumerate our citizen count. I do not believe that has changed one bit.

In 1790 the path to citizenship was easy. Thus the census count would enumerate all people and the assumption was they are citizens. At this point I believe expanding information is required to determine the count of citizens for representation purposes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The purpose of the question is to scare people who are illegals, have illegals in the home, or simply worry that their status might be questioned as a pretext to ousting them.

The enumeration clause of the Constitution explicitly states that every ten years there is supposed to be a count of all "persons" in the country. Not citizens.

Does the census actually count everyone and should it? - National Constitution Center

Good, neutral article discusses the history.
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And even in that article they point out how slaves, while counted, where not counted at full value. Thus “non-citizens” were identified and their count value adjusted. That was the times, and that is how slaves were treated. There is clear intent to only fully weight citizens.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope nice try though. I absolutely believe the intent was to accurately enumerate our citizen count. I do not believe that has changed one bit.

In 1790 the path to citizenship was easy. Thus the census count would enumerate all people and the assumption was they are citizens. At this point I believe expanding information is required to determine the count of citizens for representation purposes.
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Interesting, they used the term individual and not citizen; and they were so careful with their wording, but I guess we can disregard the wording and make assumptions about their intent.
 
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luthervol said:
Interesting, they used the term individual and not citizen; and they were so careful with their wording, but I guess we can disregard the wording and make assumptions about their intent.
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They also counted our non-citizens as the time (slaves) below par value. There is clear intent in that counting. I don’t have to assume anything in reaching that conclusion I just look at history.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The purpose of the question is to scare people who are illegals, have illegals in the home, or simply worry that their status might be questioned as a pretext to ousting them.

The enumeration clause of the Constitution explicitly states that every ten years there is supposed to be a count of all "persons" in the country. Not citizens.

Does the census actually count everyone and should it? - National Constitution Center

Good, neutral article discusses the history.
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Call it what it is..... Dirty all the way around.

One side is trying to suppress the count to change the Congressional seat and federal money allocation. The other side is trying exploit the count to maintain and manipulate Congressional seats and money allocation.
 
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GAVol said:
Call it what it is..... Dirty all the way around.

One side is trying to suppress the count to change the Congressional seat and federal money allocation. The other side is trying exploit the count to maintain and manipulate Congressional seats and money allocation.
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The census is not supposed to count merely citizens. There's the answer.
 
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GAVol said:
Call it what it is..... Dirty all the way around.

One side is trying to suppress the count to change the Congressional seat and federal money allocation. The other side is trying exploit the count to maintain and manipulate Congressional seats and money allocation.
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Agreed. To be honest, I don’t really have an issue with the question and think it’s a perfectly reasonable thing to know.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The census is not supposed to count merely citizens. There's the answer.
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I get that argument... although I'm not sure I buy it.

My point is that you don't have to peel back very many layers to see what each side is trying to accomplish here. There's a reason the right is inserting the word citizen and the left mysteriously has flip-flopped and moved toward open borders in just the last 5-10 years.
 
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GAVol said:
I get that argument... although I'm not sure I buy it.

My point is that you don't have to peel back very many layers to see what each side is trying to accomplish here. There's a reason the right is inserting the word citizen and the left mysteriously has flip-flopped and moved toward open borders in just the last 5-10 years.
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The Dems' position is also driven by generally endearing themselves to the Hispanic community. Trump has done more to alienate them than the Dems could have hoped for.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The census is not supposed to count merely citizens. There's the answer.
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Then what’s the purpose of having Congressional seats allocated based on population? Further, if only citizens are voting, then only their person should be counted.

Funny to watch you manipulate a singularity in the Constitution when it is politically expedient, and in all prior and subsequent breaths, completely trash its tenets.

Deep down, you know 2020 is in peril, if not already a foregone conclusion, and you seek to manipulate an election that the Russians failed at miserably in ‘16.

How’s that for calling it what it is?
 
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LouderVol said:
And this wouldn't change that. They would still be counted.
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Lol. Come on. Even the internal material from the administration shows that the point of asking the question is to reduce the count and diminish its accuracy.

That's why Trump got his azz handed to him by the Supremes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lol. Come on. Even the internal material from the administration shows that the point of asking the question is to reduce the count and diminish its accuracy.

That's why Trump got his azz handed to him by the Supremes.
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I dont care what the idiot in chief does. I am looking at the question itself. And the supreme courts rebuttal even said they were only rejecting because of the lies. Not the question itself.

Knowing citizen vs not is actually improving the accuracy and a valid goal. Just as usual team Trump goes about it completely backwards to the point of shooting himself in the foot.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lol. Come on. Even the internal material from the administration shows that the point of asking the question is to reduce the count and diminish its accuracy.

That's why Trump got his azz handed to him by the Supremes.
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So you assume Hispanics are liars? How does knowing the total population as well as the total number of people here illegally reduce the accuracy of anything?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
They also counted our non-citizens as the time (slaves) below par value. There is clear intent in that counting. I don’t have to assume anything in reaching that conclusion I just look at history.
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They only counted slaves below par value, not all non-citizens. There is indeed clear intent in that counting.
 
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