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#677
#677
NorthDallas40 said:
58 second mark of the video I linked. The question was asked and in her reply she clearly predicated the stance with people entering the country illegally. Do you have details showing the status of the 500 detainees indicating not all had criminal records? Because that was the context of that immediately following exchange.
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If "criminal records" was the context for the discussion around the 3,500 (not 500) then she's even more wrong lol, her deflection was intended to move AWAY from "criminal records" and instead say "well they're all criminals, with or without records" which is still wrong
 
#681
#681
GroverCleveland said:
Your argument was specifically about expired visas. Strawman.
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Yikes, no argument so just blunt repetition. The counter-argument was specifically about border crossings when the question was about ICE arrests, which (brace yourself) include expired visas
 
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#684
NashVol11 said:
Yikes, no argument so just blunt repetition. The counter-argument was specifically about border crossings when the question was about ICE arrests, which (brace yourself) include expired visas
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Blunt repetition to counter the same tired argument. However...

.. there go the goal posts! You now seem to be implying that people who crossed the border illegally included people with expired visas. I guess that technically could be true, but somehow doubt anyone other than you are worried about that segment. Besides, if they crossed border illegally, regardless of whether their visa was expired, they are in the country illegally and are subject to being rounded up and deported.

Have you ever read about Braxton Bragg and how he once argued with himself as a young cavalry officer and lost? You remind me of that story quite often when reading your posts.
 
#685
#685
GroverCleveland said:
Blunt repetition to counter the same tired argument. However...

.. there go the goal posts! You now seem to be implying that people arrested by ICE included people with expired visas. I guess that is almost always true
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Fixed your strawman. Good talk
 
#686
#686
NashVol11 said:
Fixed your strawman. Good talk
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And you introduce another strawman by editing my argument. I give you credit over Braxton Bragg: he was just dumb and lost an honest argument with himself. You're not going to get accused of having any integrity in your arguments.
 
#687
#687
GroverCleveland said:
And you introduce another strawman by editing my argument. I give you credit over Braxton Bragg: he was just dumb and lost an honest argument with himself. You're not going to get accused of having any integrity in your arguments.
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It's been the same argument literally the entire time, you just apparently can't follow it because you keep making up weird strawmen. The question was about ICE arrests and "they're all criminals" is just not true.

As much as it's fun for people to say every undocumented immigrant is "a criminal" or "committing a crime", that's wrong
 
#688
#688
NashVol11 said:
It's been the same argument literally the entire time, you just apparently can't follow it because you keep making up weird strawmen. The question was about ICE arrests and "they're all criminals" is just not true
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The question you keep dancing around was specifically in question of the 500 ICE arrests. I asked for a link or data supporting that. You deflected to the general larger 3500 amount. Again it’s in the video I linked. You’re welcome.
 
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#689
#689
NorthDallas40 said:
The question you keep dancing around was specifically in question of the 500 ICE arrests. I asked for a link or data supporting that. You deflected to the general larger 3500 amount. Again it’s in the video I linked. You’re welcome.
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The question about criminal records specifically referenced the 3,500 ICE arrests since Trump took office, do I need to directly quote it? If your "context" was not only a separate conversation but also discussing a separate group of people, that just makes it worse lol
 
#690
#690
As is typical amongst leftists, @NashVol11 is misrepresenting the facts. The Trump administration has said that ICE is going to enforce the nation's laws and is going to deport illegal immigrants. They have further stated that they would begin by focusing on violent criminal illegal immigrants. However, at no time have they said that they will not arrest and deport other illegal immigrants as they are encountered. If they are here illegally, they can expect to be deported.

With respect to immigrants with expired visas, are they in the US illegally? Yes. Can they expect to be deported? Yes. Do I feel sorry for them? No.
 
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#691
#691
NashVol11 said:
The people rounded up by ICE aren't "all criminals" either, even her deflection was still wrong. She didn't say "those who entered the country illegally" at all, the question was specifically about ICE arrests
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What I am trying to say is that she did not answer the question that was asked. You are correct about the question asked. She responded to that question, but she did not answer it.
 
#692
#692
NashVol11 said:
The question about criminal records specifically referenced the 3,500 ICE arrests since Trump took office, do I need to directly quote it? If your "context" was not only a separate conversation but also discussing a separate group of people, that just makes it worse lol
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No you don’t. You’ve already quoted enough material out of context. Thanks though.
 
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#693
Ritzwatch said:
What I am trying to say is that she did not answer the question that was asked. You are correct about the question asked. She responded to that question, but she did not answer it.
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I agree with you, I just was making an additional statement about her answer to the question she DID choose to answer
 
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Vol423 said:
As is typical amongst leftists, @NashVol11 is misrepresenting the facts. The Trump administration has said that ICE is going to enforce the nation's laws and is going to deport illegal immigrants. They have further stated that they would begin by focusing on violent criminal illegal immigrants. However, at no time have they said that they will not arrest and deport other illegal immigrants as they are encountered. If they are here illegally, they can expect to be deported.

With respect to immigrants with expired visas, are they in the US illegally? Yes. Can they expect to be deported? Yes. Do I feel sorry for them? No.
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I haven't said anything counter to any of this, how is that a misrepresentation? Implying that every illegal immigrant is "a criminal" is the misrepresentation, people are just used to hearing it
 
#695
#695
NashVol11 said:
"How many have a criminal record versus those who are just in the country illegally" was the question, verbatim, and now that's "spin" lol
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ok fine, you are just continuing the spin from someone else. I am glad that distinction is out of the way and we can have an actual discussion.

you don't need a criminal record to be a criminal. its in the phrase criminal "record". its a pointless distinction to make. according to the question it would be more important to get rid of the guy with a criminal record of felony trespassing who crossed illegally, before getting rid of the guy who stabbed someone but hasn't been convicted to have a record and "only" crossed the border illegally.
 
#698
#698
LouderVol said:
ok fine, you are just continuing the spin from someone else. I am glad that distinction is out of the way and we can have an actual discussion.

you don't need a criminal record to be a criminal. its in the phrase criminal "record". its a pointless distinction to make. according to the question it would be more important to get rid of the guy with a criminal record of felony trespassing who crossed illegally, before getting rid of the guy who stabbed someone but hasn't been convicted to have a record and "only" crossed the border illegally.
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Saying everyone arrested by ICE is a "criminal" isn't true either, that was the entire point
 
#700
#700
Sandman 423 said:
Seems like arguing semantics to me. If the previous admin would have taken care of immigration when they controlled Congress and the Whitehouse this would not be happening.
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It is exactly arguing semantics. The press corps asked loaded question after loaded question just trying to get a sound bite. Leavitt set the stage early in the meeting where she was speaking from.

But I do hope the press corps keeps this methodology up as I’m sure it will resonate with the voting public on the topic of immigration.
 
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