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Mike Pence's daughter Charlotte, 27, congratulates Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and reveals she was at the Capitol during MAGA riots as she defends police response

Mike Pence's daughter Charlotte Pence Bond extended her congratulations to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris just after her father certified the Democrats' Electoral College victory early Thursday morning.

Charlotte, 27, is the outgoing vice president's middle child, between his son Michael and second daughter Audrey.

'Congratulations to President-Elect Joe Biden and Vice President-Elect Kamala Harris,' she tweeted with an American flag after Congress officially confirmed that her dad's time as vice president was up.

Charlotte revealed that she was a witness to the anarchy in a second tweet on Thursday, in which she condemned the actions of the mob and defended Capitol police who failed to block it.

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Charlotte (second right) is the eldest daughter of the vice president and his wife Karen (pictured with their youngest daughter Audrey on Air Force Two in 2017)

Mike Pence's daughter Charlotte congratulates Biden and Harris | Daily Mail Online
I hope she never has to face down a trigger happy cop.
 
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The guy has to live with what he did regardless. I wouldn't trade places with him.
PJ would. It didn't bother him in the least to see a girl get shot down in cold blood. That's the kind of policemen we need. Ruthless, unapologetic killers.
 
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The party of personal responsibility and accountability. Amirite?

I do.
The Democrats And the media are just as responsible as Trump.
I blame the months of lawlessness that was called “mostly peaceful protest”. They were told “since when is a protest supposed to be nice”. The media has been encouraging This behavior for a while now.
 
Who's being cancelled? Freedom of speech does not entail freedom from the consequences of that speech from fellow citizens and private companies.

Maybe the government can just tell us what we can and can’t say. Which looting, rioting, and assembly is ok and which skin colors can do it. This new administration needs to tread very carefully but we know they won’t.
 
I do.
The Democrats And the media are just as responsible as Trump.
I blame the months of lawlessness that was called “mostly peaceful protest”. They were told “since when is a protest supposed to be nice”. The media has been encouraging This behavior for a while now.
The only real winner as we foment our divisions and engage more radical actions are the media.
 
Good, then your opinion is one I'd actually like to hear on this, despite your political bias here.

What was the proper course of action when the barricade is about to be crossed? She was climbing through the gap.

Funny you mention political bias. There is a non political motive on my answers today as I'm looking at the shooting itself rather than what's behind it. The only thing that would make this exchange more surreal would be @Rasputin_Vol or @DEFENDTHISHOUSE coming in here and defending the cops...

Anyway...

Basically, the standard for such things, and @lawgator1 can confirm (don't know if he will), is the "objective reasonableness" standard and judging the actions from the officer's perspective. Having been in high stress (and far more violent as mentioned) situations like this, tensions would be high, communications/information spotty at best and even fear could creep in. So, I'm kind of surprised there was only one shooting.

Anyway, taking those factors into account, I still have to judge the "threat" by three standards prior to using deadly force:

Intent - was her intent to cause harm or death to others? This one has a slight gray area so long as the officer can explain why he perceived her to be threatening

Capability - did she have the capability of inflicting harm or death on others. She had no weapons, so, this one certainly wasn't met

Opportunity - was she in a position to cause harm or death to others? She was attempting to climb through the window, so this one is really thin. Plus, she hadn't made it through. Now, one of the arguments someone will make is "she was advancing towards the officer." Which is complete BS because he advanced laterally towards her before shooting. I.E. he was putting himself in a position to have to use force. Which brings me to my next point...

Were all other measures of force used or could be used prior to enjoying deadly force? He was a plainclothes USCP officer, so I don't know if they have less than lethal capabilities in that uniform. The problem comes in that if all you have is a hammer (firearm) all problems look like nails. I don't blame the officer necessarily for that since carrying a bunch of LTL items in a suit isn't practical.

But the three biggest things that stand out to me are:

That lobby had a whole hoop of uniformed officers already inside. If she was a "threat" why didn't they take issue with it from their side?

No warnings were given, regardless of the useless video PJ wants to post where someone "claims" they were given fair warning. First day of investigator school it was hammered into our heads "eye witness accounts are beyond useless in these situations." Something a lot of people refuse to understand or belive these days. It's not what you hear from a third party, it's what you can prove through evidence.

And last, but not least, the advancement of said cop towards the threat. The video is quite clear. He takes two steps towards her, fires a single shot, then retreats back to his position. Why is this important?

Because if a known threat was coming through that door, he put himself at greater risk by exposing his body to open/broken windows before taking the shot. You can clearly see him on the videos moving out of a somewhat covered position to take the shot. If this crowd was as "violent" as some let on and you suspected them to be armed, you never, never remove yourself from cover and expose your flank like that.

Long winded answer to a complicated question and removing the political angle. But in my mind, using knowledge and known facts, this was not a valid shoot at all.

EDIT: it was the Capitol Police that shot, not the Metro PD. I was mistaken since the Metro PD gave a briefing on it.
 
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Funny you mention political bias. There is a non political motive on my answers today as I'm looking at the shooting itself rather than what's behind it. The only thing that would make this exchange more surreal would be @Rasputin_Vol or @DEFENDTHISHOUSE coming in here and defending the cops...

Anyway...

Basically, the standard for such things, and @lawgator1 can confirm (don't know if he will), is the "objective reasonableness" standard and judging the actions from the officer's perspective. Having been in high stress (and far more violent as mentioned) situations like this, tensions would be high, communications/information spotty at best and even fear could creep in. So, I'm kind of surprised there was only one shooting.

Anyway, taking those factors into account, I still have to judge the "threat" by three standards prior to using deadly force:

Intent - was her intent to cause harm or death to others? This one has a slight gray area so long as the officer can explain why he perceived her to be threatening

Capability - did she have the capability of inflicting harm or death on others. She had no weapons, so, this one certainly wasn't met

Opportunity - was she in a position to cause harm or death to others? She was attempting to climb through the window, so this one is really thin. Plus, she hadn't made it through. Now, one of the arguments someone will make is "she was advancing towards the officer." Which is complete BS because he advanced laterally towards her before shooting. I.E. he was putting himself in a position to have to use force. Which brings me to my next point...

Were all other measures of force used or could be used prior to enjoying deadly force? He was a plainclothes DC Metro officer, so I don't know if they have less than lethal capabilities in that uniform. The problem comes in that if all you have is a hammer (firearm) all problems look like nails. I don't blame the officer necessarily for that since carrying a bunch of LTL items in a suit isn't practical.

But the three biggest things that stand out to me are:

That lobby had a whole hoop of uniformed officers already inside. If she was a "threat" why didn't they take issue with it from their side?

No warnings were given, regardless of the useless video PJ wants to post where someone "claims" they were given fair warning. First day of investigator school it was hammered into our heads "eye witness accounts are beyond useless in these situations." Something a lot of people refuse to understand or belive these days. It's not what you hear from a third party, it's what you can prove through evidence.

And last, but not least, the advancement of said cop towards the threat. The video is quite clear. He takes two steps towards her, fires a single shot, then retreats back to his position. Why is this important?

Because if a known threat was coming through that door, he put himself at greater risk by exposing his body to open/broken windows before taking the shot. You can clearly see him on the videos moving out of a somewhat covered position to take the shot. If this crowd was as "violent" as some let on and you suspected them to be armed, you never, never remove yourself from cover and expose your flank like that.

Long winded answer to a complicated question and removing the political angle. But in my mind, using knowledge and known facts, this was not a valid shoot at all.
The only thing I could disagree about was the part about lawgator. I'm not so sure he's not a pretend lawyer.
 
Anyone willing to opine on what would happen to the cop if the person killed was a black Obama supporter and Obama was in office?

Anyone willing to opine on what would have happened if this was a protest that got out of hand and stormed the White House to "talk" to Donny?

By the way... But Obama!
 
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Disney CEO Bob Chapek Condemns Capitol Riots After Staying Silent on ‘Mulan’ Filming Near China’s Uyghur Concentration Camps

Disney CEO Bob Chapek condemned the clash at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, claiming that the violence that has claimed the lives of at least five people, including a Capitol police officer, marks “a sad and tragic day for our country, one unlike any other in our history.”

“What we saw was an egregious and inexcusable assault on America’s most revered institution and our democracy. Thankfully, the democratic process that we hold dearly ultimately prevailed,” the Disney chief said in a Twitter statement. “Now, more than ever, it is imperative that we come together as one nation –6785 united by our shared values, including decency, kindness, and respect for others. We should seize this opportunity and move ahead with optimism and hope for a better, brighter future for all of America.”

Despite Chapeck’s appeal to America’s principles of “decency, kindness, and respect for others,” Disney faced a backlash after it became known that its hoped-for hit, Mulan was filmed in cooperation with agencies responsible for Chinese forced labor camps.

Indeed, Disney even thanked the government agencies in Xinjiang, the province where Muslims are cast into forced labor.

Disney CEO Bob Chapek Condemns Capitol Riots After Staying Silent on 'Mulan' Filming Near China's Uyghur Concentration Camps
 

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