Trump to attend anti-abortion rally in Washington

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tennvols77 said:
What if the religious right would acquiesce with abortion, and for political purposes, turn an eye and allow free will, and judgement to be held from above upon death, as the manner in which to accept it, how much would it help in terms of voting for the R party?
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In a few swing states? It could hurt pretty significantly.
 
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TN Ribs said:
Many also think that taxpayer dollars fund abortions when, in fact, the Hyde Amendment specifically prohibits tax dollars being used for abortions unless it is caused by rape or incest.
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With a group like PP it's difficult to tell. Facilities are shared, personnel are shared and I imagine supplies are shared between the abortion operation and other HC operations.
 
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tennvols77 said:
What if the religious right would acquiesce with abortion, and for political purposes, turn an eye and allow free will, and judgement to be held from above upon death, as the manner in which to accept it, how much would it help in terms of voting for the R party?
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I’d settle for the GOP moving away from the “family values” schtick because it’s pretty obvious that very few of them can back up their rhetoric with the example of their own lives.

I’m not going to hold my breath, though. Gotta pander to the evangelicals.
 
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MontyPython said:
Naaahh... think my panties were in the wash that day.

Anti-abortion advocates should be willing to be added to a national "Willing to Adopt" database. Then, we ban abortions except in the case of rape and incest. When their name is randomly drawn from the Adoption Database, they will be given a newborn that otherwise would have been aborted.

All the world's various gods are happy, and no babies die.
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you don't believe that there are several couples, Christian and otherwise that want to adopt children? They are not the issue that's causing these problems....
 
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n_huffhines said:
You've used three posts in a row to make the same bad, false joke...don't you have more brainpower than that? I'm disappointed in you.
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That dude isn't even fun to smack around, it's like taking candy from a toddler. When I see his name at the bottom of a post as 'liked', I automatically assume that the post was terrible.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Honestly sounds like the left's moves on gun laws. Their base actually believes I can go buy a fully automatic Ar15 from Wal-Mart online with no background check. And yet they never correct their base. But because they are liars when it comes to the 2A they're simply reinforce what the base wants to hear.
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LMAO "but your mindless drone idiots are worse than our mindless drone idiots".

Liberals can play the hypocrite as well as any conservative can for sure
 
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I have two main problems with "pro-life" groups/people, most of them are pro death penalty and almost none of them are doing anything to help ease and reduce the cost of adoption. Personally I am 100% opposed to women having abortions but against making them illegal during the early stages of pregnancy.
 
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Septic said:
That dude isn't even fun to smack around, it's like taking candy from a toddler. When I see his name at the bottom of a post as 'liked', I automatically assume that the post was terrible.
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He earned the ignore button 5 years ago. The only reason he's not on ignore is that it's so fun to needle him.
 
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hog88 said:
I have two main problems with "pro-life" groups/people, most of them are pro death penalty and almost none of them are doing anything to help ease and reduce the cost of adoption. Personally I am 100% opposed to women having abortions but against making them illegal during the early stages of pregnancy.
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Yeah, and they vote to ban legal refugee immigrants from their counties.
 
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Septic said:
Would you acquiesce that pro-life is also anti-choice in this regard?
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The irony is that many pro-lifers are stridently anti-welfare. So they’re perfectly willing to force a woman to give birth and then deny her any chance of being able to feed, clothe, educate, etc. her child.
 
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volinbham said:
With a group like PP it's difficult to tell. Facilities are shared, personnel are shared and I imagine supplies are shared between the abortion operation and other HC operations.
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Kinda makes one wonder when a group is given millions of federal dollars how they document what money is used for one thing and not the other. And which pool of PP money the millions donated to the Democratic Party money comes from.
 
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MG1968 said:
The irony is that many pro-lifers are stridently anti-welfare. So they’re perfectly willing to force a woman to give birth and then deny her any chance of being able to feed, clothe, educate, etc. her child.
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And they're opposed to government-supplied contraceptives. If you believe that abortion is murder and you're not a rigid small government type, how can you oppose a little bit of $ going to contraceptives when it will prevent untold numbers of "murder" (and welfare babies)?
 
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Septic said:
That dude isn't even fun to smack around, it's like taking candy from a toddler. When I see his name at the bottom of a post as 'liked', I automatically assume that the post was terrible.
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You limp wristed libs ain't smacking no one around
 
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MG1968 said:
The irony is that many pro-lifers are stridently anti-welfare. So they’re perfectly willing to force a woman to give birth and then deny her any chance of being able to feed, clothe, educate, etc. her child.
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Welfare should come with some strings attached, like mandatory IUDs.
 
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n_huffhines said:
And they're opposed to government-supplied contraceptives. If you believe that abortion is murder and you're not a rigid small government type, how can you oppose a little bit of $ going to contraceptives when it will prevent untold numbers of "murder" (and welfare babies)?
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contraceptives ARE provided by the government already, clearly that's not the issue
 
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MG1968 said:
The irony is that many pro-lifers are stridently anti-welfare. So they’re perfectly willing to force a woman to give birth and then deny her any chance of being able to feed, clothe, educate, etc. her child.
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being against lifetime or generational welfare, OR stating that welfare fraud must be accounted for is not "forcing" anyone to do anything other than work and not cheat the system.
Truly people that are in need can get the help they need, that is not the majority of people currently on welfare or disability
 
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hog88 said:
I have two main problems with "pro-life" groups/people, most of them are pro death penalty and almost none of them are doing anything to help ease and reduce the cost of adoption. Personally I am 100% opposed to women having abortions but against making them illegal during the early stages of pregnancy.
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How can they ease the reduce the cost of adoption? The reason that is such an issue is due to government regulations and needless costs
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
How can they ease the reduce the cost of adoption? The reason that is such an issue is due to government regulations and needless costs
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Exactly, I don't see any of these groups lobbying the .gov for that to be eased.
 
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hog88 said:
I have two main problems with "pro-life" groups/people, most of them are pro death penalty and almost none of them are doing anything to help ease and reduce the cost of adoption. Personally I am 100% opposed to women having abortions but against making them illegal during the early stages of pregnancy.
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in general I have ethical qualms about the whole thing.

in individual rights terms I defer to the woman until we are dealing with another verifiable life (viability?) - then it's a balancing of individual rights; the woman's vs the viable unborn child. I know the Libertarian view the subject is mixed leaning towards full pro-choice but if the Libertarian ethos is don't hurt people and don't take their stuff then it seems to me that once you have a functioning human it's against that ethos to say one person has the right to kill the other.
 
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