Trump Will Not Run.

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#26
May be too early, but does anyone want to start an Official GOP Nominations thread, so we can track trends and polls?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm not simply labeling him. I'm drawing conclusions from his views. If I decided to run for president and supported cross burning as a form of free speech, would you be dumb enough to avoid labeling me a racist?
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what has Cain supported that is anywhere equivalent to cross burning?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm not simply labeling him. I'm drawing conclusions from his views. If I decided to run for president and supported cross burning as a form of free speech, would you be dumb enough to avoid labeling me a racist?
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if you're a militant atheist and decide to burn a cross on your own property...
 
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volinbham said:
what has Cain supported that is anywhere equivalent to cross burning?
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You're missing the point, man. The guy's policies on social liberties are cookie-cutter conservative, which have always been homophobic and sexist. He wants to strangle the Planned Parenthood funding and revoke the homosexual clauses of the Employment Ant-Discrimination Act.

My point was drawing logical conclusions from stances on policy.

And I'd like to clarify, I am a fiscal conservative... but I'm about as socially liberal as you can be... if you couldn't draw THAT conclusion. I think conviction explains too many of the conservative stances on social liberties.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You're missing the point, man. The guy's policies on social liberties are cookie-cutter conservative, which have always been homophobic and sexist. He wants to strangle the Planned Parenthood funding and revoke the homosexual clauses of the Employment Ant-Discrimination Act.

My point was drawing logical conclusions from stances on policy.
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Following your logic than it's reasonable to label Obama a socialist.

I guess Obama is also homophobic since he opposes gay marriage.


I love this logic:

Oppose abortion = sexist
Disagree with some law that impacts homosexuals = homophobic

I suppose he hates poor people too (incomist) since he's cookie cutter conservative....
 
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#32
Yesterday on Matthews' show reporters said that Obama advisers were most worried about Huckabee. Felt he was most likely to be able to defeat Obama in '12.

Theories on why he didn't run: 1) needs the money from his Fox show as he is building $2 million + home; 2) figures would be better to start campaigning for '16 day after the '12 election.
 
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volinbham said:
Following your logic than it's reasonable to label Obama a socialist.

I guess Obama is also homophobic since he opposes gay marriage.


I love this logic:

Oppose abortion = sexist
Disagree with some law that impacts homosexuals = homophobic

I suppose he hates poor people too (incomist) since he's cookie cutter conservative....
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No, labeling him a Socialist doesn't follow this line of logic at all. However, it wouldn't surprise me if he were homophobic. That, or he knew that supporting gay marriage would have cost him votes. I can understand opposing same-sex marriage these days... it can cost you many votes, but to go the extra mile and make special effort to allow dickweed employers to shoot them down because of their sexual orientation (without repercussion) is bigotry.

The sexism bit can be a stretch, which is why I used "probably" in the first place. But hey, at the end of the day, destroying planned parenthood and banning abortion is taking away a power that females have reserved for decades... just because you can.

Obama probably doesn't give a sh*t about poor people. He's a wealthy, powerful man. Why would he? They're just votes to him. It's pretty apparent.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yesterday on Matthews' show reporters said that Obama advisers were most worried about Huckabee. Felt he was most likely to be able to defeat Obama in '12.

Theories on why he didn't run: 1) needs the money from his Fox show as he is building $2 million + home; 2) figures would be better to start campaigning for '16 day after the '12 election.
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wow, you rail against Fox News and then bring us something you heard on MSNBC, Chris Matthews' show in particular?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yesterday on Matthews' show reporters said that Obama advisers were most worried about Huckabee. Felt he was most likely to be able to defeat Obama in '12.

Theories on why he didn't run: 1) needs the money from his Fox show as he is building $2 million + home; 2) figures would be better to start campaigning for '16 day after the '12 election.
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I've wondered about this, as to keeping higher profile names on the bench in '12 preferring to run against an open Democrat field in '16.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
No, labeling him a Socialist doesn't follow this line of logic at all. However, it wouldn't surprise me if he were homophobic. That, or he knew that supporting gay marriage would have cost him votes. I can understand opposing same-sex marriage these days... it can cost you many votes, but to go the extra mile and make special effort to allow dickweed employers to shoot them down because of their sexual orientation (without repercussion) is bigotry.

The sexism bit can be a stretch, which is why I used "probably" in the first place. But hey, at the end of the day, destroying planned parenthood and banning abortion is taking away a power that females have reserved for decades... just because you can.

Obama probably doesn't give a sh*t about poor people. He's a wealthy, powerful man. Why would he? There just votes to him. It's pretty apparent.
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how is removing taxpayer subsidies going to "destroy Planned Parenthood"?

by that logic repealing farm subsidies would destroy the agriculture segment of the economy and eliminating tax credits for Big Oil would destroy the US energy sector.

I'm socially moderate myself, but I don't go into bed-wetting hysteria whenever I hear social conservatives voice their opinion on things like gay marriage and abortion.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
No, labeling him a Socialist doesn't follow this line of logic at all. However, it wouldn't surprise me if he were homophobic. That, or he knew that supporting gay marriage would have cost him votes. I can understand opposing same-sex marriage these days... it can cost you many votes, but to go the extra mile and make special effort to allow dickweed employers to shoot them down because of their sexual orientation (without repercussion) is bigotry.

The sexism bit can be a stretch, which is why I used "probably" in the first place. But hey, at the end of the day, destroying planned parenthood and banning abortion is taking away a power that females have reserved for decades... just because you can.

Obama probably doesn't give a sh*t about poor people. He's a wealthy, powerful man. Why would he? There just votes to him. It's pretty apparent.
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What I object to here is taking a policy position on a specific thing (Planned Parenthood) or abortion then leaping to an accusation of sexism.

It has a chilling effect on debate - these are serious accusations that end up in people being fired from jobs (with racism being the top of the heap).

We've gone from having policy differences to demonizing opponents.

I consider this to be a huge reason why the country is so divided. Instead of arguing ideals we label people and paint them with a broad, negative, nefarious brush.

For the record I don't think Obama is a socialist or homophobic. I just don't agree with his positions on many issues.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You're missing the point, man. The guy's policies on social liberties are cookie-cutter conservative, which have always been homophobic and sexist. He wants to strangle the Planned Parenthood funding and revoke the homosexual clauses of the Employment Ant-Discrimination Act.

My point was drawing logical conclusions from stances on policy.

And I'd like to clarify, I am a fiscal conservative... but I'm about as socially liberal as you can be... if you couldn't draw THAT conclusion. I think conviction explains too many of the conservative stances on social liberties.
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So you have a right to be gay, but not a right to be against it, and if you are against it you are a "phobic?"

I think I'm going to start calling people that are atheist, against church or religion religiphobic.
 
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MG1968 said:
how is removing taxpayer subsidies going to "destroy Planned Parenthood"?

by that logic repealing farm subsidies would destroy the agriculture segment of the economy and eliminating tax credits for Big Oil would destroy the US energy sector.

I'm socially moderate myself, but I don't go into bed-wetting hysteria whenever I hear social conservatives voice their opinion on things like gay marriage and abortion.
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Herman Cain: ?It?s Not Planned Parenthood -- No, It?s Planned Genocide? | CNSnews.com

That should clear things up.
I just stated that he's probably sexist and homophobic based on his social conservative (extra mile included) views. Bham disagreed, and we discussed it. No "bed-wetting hysteria" here, but let's say it for the sake of... well, saying it.
 
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JZVOL said:
So you have a right to be gay, but not a right to be against it, and if you are against it you are a "phobic?"

I think I'm going to start calling people that are atheist, against church or religion religiphobic.
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Not understanding the lifestyle and taking away rights are two different things, dude.
 
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#45
he's hardly alone in his view that planned parenthood encourages women to get abortions. why should planned parenthood be getting public funds?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You're missing the point, man. The guy's policies on social liberties are cookie-cutter conservative, which have always been homophobic and sexist. He wants to strangle the Planned Parenthood funding and revoke the homosexual clauses of the Employment Ant-Discrimination Act.

My point was drawing logical conclusions from stances on policy.

And I'd like to clarify, I am a fiscal conservative... but I'm about as socially liberal as you can be... if you couldn't draw THAT conclusion. I think conviction explains too many of the conservative stances on social liberties.
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If you are socially liberal then you should support an employer's right to discriminate. Cain should be pushing to defeat the whole anti-discrimination act.

Note: I do agree with you that supporting an anti-discrimination policy that doesn't protect homosexuals is a problem.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Herman Cain: ?It?s Not Planned Parenthood -- No, It?s Planned Genocide? | CNSnews.com

That should clear things up.
I just stated that he's probably sexist and homophobic based on his social conservative (extra mile included) views. Bham disagreed, and we discussed it. No "bed-wetting hysteria" here, but let's say it for the sake of... well, saying it.
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Where is the sexism?

Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century,[1] is the belief or attitude that one sex is inherently superior to, more competent than, or more valuable than the other. It can also include this type of discrimination in regards to gender. Sexism primarily involves hatred of, or prejudice towards, either sex as a whole (see misogyny and misandry), or the application of stereotypes of masculinity in relation to men, or of femininity in relation to women.[2] It is also called male and female chauvinism.
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Sounds like to me he believes abortion is equivalent to murder. He looked to the works of Sanger who did make comments about population control.
 
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