Trump's new Cabinet - Guesses & Nominations

[LouderVol]

I could retire the tax code in fifteen minutes. Re: Fair Tax. Done

Do you think government bureaucrats have some special level of intelligence that makes them uniquely suited to run things? It is refreshing to see a different perspective on things. Every once in awhile, forest fires are good for the health of the forest. The .gov is full of understory that needs clearing.

I already said Oz may be intelligent enough to do the job. just saying I would rather there be an individual with experience dealing with the issue, as a private employee not a government one, as being in charge.

then we could expect real, helpful change. and not just change for the sake of change and slapping Trump's name on it.

 

[LouderVol]

_The person at my facility that is in charge of Medicare/medicaid billing watched four videos and received two days of training. I think OZ will do fine if he ends in that position.

if its that easy it doesn't sound that broke...

 

[Ritzwatch]

A good manager doesn’t need to know the nuts and bolts of an operation.

Not only this ^^^. but there is no way Oz, or anyone else, could know all the ins and outs of our federal healthcare programs.
I am very likely more qualified than Oz in terms of depth of knowledge of these programs and the systems set up to administer them, but that doesn't necessarily make me more qualified to be the director of the agency that runs those programs.

If I invest in a car company, I want the best executive in place to run the business, even if they don't know how to change the oil in the car.
If I need head gaskets replaced, I want the best mechanic, not the CEO. The skillset is so very different.

For Federal Healthcare, the scope of the bureaucracy is so staggering that even an expert in one field (say, occupational therapy) can be a complete novice in another (mental health.)

Oz may succeed; he may fail. Only time will tell.

 

[hog88]

if you are wanting to make drastic improvements you need to have a functional understanding of what it is they are doing. otherwise you are just as likely to eff something up, rather than fix it. your mindset is what leads to there being so many middle management types who don't have a clue what they are doing, and end up contributing nothing.

and that's without considering what happens to the efficiency of anything once it enters DC.

LOL

A good manager needs to know the mission/goals of an organization, possess good judgement, common sense and the right temperament to motivate instead of intimidate. They then they need ability to identify and hire the right people that do know the nuts and bolts, people they can trust to tell them the truth. You sound like someone who hasn't even made it to middle management.

I'll ask you the same question I asked BB85, does the CEO of Ford need to have experience as a mechanic or on the assembly line to run the company? Does the CEO need to have experience as a pilot or even in the airline industry?

 

[hog88]

Not only this ^^^. but there is no way Oz, or anyone else, could know all the ins and outs of our federal healthcare programs.
I am very likely more qualified than Oz in terms of depth of knowledge of these programs and the systems set up to administer them, but that doesn't necessarily make me more qualified to be the director of the agency that runs those programs.

If I invest in a car company, I want the best executive in place to run the business, even if they don't know how to change the oil in the car.
If I need head gaskets replaced, I want the best mechanic, not the CEO. The skillset is so very different.

For Federal Healthcare, the scope of the bureaucracy is so staggering that even an expert in one field (say, occupational therapy) can be a complete novice in another (mental health.)

Oz may succeed; he may fail. Only time will tell.

I don't know enough about Oz to know whether he's capable of doing the job or not, I'm betting that he's not but the idea that Louder is throwing out that since Oz doesn't have experience within the agency or experience with billing he's not qualified is childish.

 

[LouderVol]

LOL

A good manager needs to know the mission/goals of an organization, possess good judgement, common sense and the right temperament to motivate instead of intimidate. They then they need ability to identify and hire the right people that do know the nuts and bolts, people they can trust to tell them the truth. You sound like someone who hasn't even made it to middle management.

I'll ask you the same question I asked BB85, does the CEO of Ford need to have experience as a mechanic or on the assembly line to run the company? Does the CEO need to have experience as a pilot or even in the airline industry?

they don't need it, but it would certainly help. How often have we complained about Boeing and how the pencil pushers took over and ruined Boeing? what about the complaints about the way car engines, and other things are made now? Its a lot worse because you have bean counters who have no clue how things work best making the decisions. getting someone involved with first hand knowledge of the situation is always going to preferable to bringing in someone with no knowledge.

also in this case Oz is closer to the mechanic than he is the CEO, so its not like the argument is helping you guys anyway.

I would rather hire the mechanic who knows ICE cars to run my ICE car company, rather of the mechanic who only works on electric vehicles running my ICE car company. I have no idea why that upsets you guys so much except that Trump did it, so you must defend it to the death.

there is no logic that says Dr. Oz was the best choice out there that Trump could have made. you all just fall all over yourselves thinking it MUST be the best choice because Trump made it.

COULD Oz work out? Sure. but we have no reason to believe in that. I would rather have someone we could have reason to believe in. doesn't mean a democrat, or someone who worked in the Medicare office, doesn't mean they have to be a ceo-type. just someone with some actual logic behind the choice.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't know enough about Oz to know whether he's capable of doing the job or not, I'm betting that he's not but the idea that Louder is throwing out that since Oz doesn't have experience within the agency or experience with billing he's not qualified is childish.

so what does qualified mean in your world? I mean besides Trump did it, thats apparently enough for you guys to not question anything.

qualified means you have reason to believe they will be good at the job. usually experience is a quality someone looks at. not sure why its childish to look for someone who is actually qualified. Oz hasn't even managed anything, hasn't shown any of the qualities you listed as a good manager.

 

[CobbVol]

so what does qualified mean in your world? I mean besides Trump did it, thats apparently enough for you guys to not question anything.

qualified means you have reason to believe they will be good at the job. usually experience is a quality someone looks at. not sure why its childish to look for someone who is actually qualified. Oz hasn't even managed anything, hasn't shown any of the qualities you listed as a good manager.

You need to read up on leadership, what makes them, and the various styles as it will be helpful for you. They are different than managers

 

[hog88]

they don't need it, but it would certainly help. How often have we complained about Boeing and how the pencil pushers took over and ruined Boeing? what about the complaints about the way car engines, and other things are made now? Its a lot worse because you have bean counters who have no clue how things work best making the decisions. getting someone involved with first hand knowledge of the situation is always going to preferable to bringing in someone with no knowledge.

also in this case Oz is closer to the mechanic than he is the CEO, so its not like the argument is helping you guys anyway.

I would rather hire the mechanic who knows ICE cars to run my ICE car company, rather of the mechanic who only works on electric vehicles running my ICE car company. I have no idea why that upsets you guys so much except that Trump did it, so you must defend it to the death.

there is no logic that says Dr. Oz was the best choice out there that Trump could have made. you all just fall all over yourselves thinking it MUST be the best choice because Trump made it.

COULD Oz work out? Sure. but we have no reason to believe in that. I would rather have someone we could have reason to believe in. doesn't mean a democrat, or someone who worked in the Medicare office, doesn't mean they have to be a ceo-type. just someone with some actual logic behind the choice.

Bad managers/bad business people are just bad for business. The problem with many companies is they live by the "you're only as good as your last quarter" mantra and make short sighted decisions.

Look, as I said in an earlier post I have my doubts Oz will work out, if I had to place a bet I'd bet he fails miserably. But it's not because he doesn't know MC billing, it will be because he lacks skills to be a good manager at that level.

 

[LouderVol]

You need to read up on leadership, what makes them, and the various styles as it will be helpful for you. They are different than managers

ok what makes Oz a good leader? Hog was the one who brought up managers, so talk to him about what is helpful.

 

[hog88]

so what does qualified mean in your world? I mean besides Trump did it, thats apparently enough for you guys to not question anything.

qualified means you have reason to believe they will be good at the job. usually experience is a quality someone looks at. not sure why its childish to look for someone who is actually qualified. Oz hasn't even managed anything, hasn't shown any of the qualities you listed as a good manager.

I would look to successful business people, someone who took a struggling or failing company and turned it around or someone who built a successful company from the ground up. Those would be the first qualifications I would look for in appointing most cabinet positions, especially those dealing with HC.

 

[LouderVol]

Bad managers/bad business people are just bad for business. The problem with many companies is they live by the "you're only as good as your last quarter" mantra and make short sighted decisions.

Look, as I said in an earlier post I have my doubts Oz will work out, if I had to place a bet I'd bet he fails miserably. But it's not because he doesn't know MC billing, it will be because he lacks skills to be a good manager at that level.

dealing with MC goes far beyond just billing. You guys are acting like I want the lady who handles the fax machine in charge. I just want someone who has actually dealt with MC, or some equivalent, so they are capable of making intelligent decisions instead of relying on the machine, which is going to protect itself, to tell them what to do.

 

[hog88]

ok what makes Oz a good leader? Hog was the one who brought up managers, so talk to him about what is helpful.

If you would stop ranting like a child you would see that I haven't once endorsed Oz for this position.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I'd be hard pressed to find a dumber person than Sunny Hostin. She makes AOC look brilliant.

She is the epitome of Reagan's quote:

"It is not that our liberal friends do not know anything. It's that so much of what they know is wrong."

 

[CobbVol]

ok what makes Oz a good leader? Hog was the one who brought up managers, so talk to him about what is helpful.

I have not been around him so am not sure of his style and skills in this area. I am sure however that pushing paper around like you are referring to is aligned with very few leaders. Start reading on the topic as it will do you well.

 

[hog88]

dealing with MC goes far beyond just billing. You guys are acting like I want the lady who handles the fax machine in charge. I just want someone who has actually dealt with MC, or some equivalent, so they are capable of making intelligent decisions instead of relying on the machine, which is going to protect itself, to tell them what to do.

Ok well by this post Oz is qualified since as an MD I'm sure he has dealt with MC or some equivalent.

 

[Vol423]

if they spent their career dealing with the paper work and seeing how inefficient it was first hand as a non-government employee I wouldn't consider that compromised.

So what you're looking for is for the President's cabinet to be filled by former low-level administrative staff?

 

[LouderVol]

I would look to successful business people, someone who took a struggling or failing company and turned it around or someone who built a successful company from the ground up. Those would be the first qualifications I would look for in appointing most cabinet positions, especially those dealing with HC.

ok, how does Oz fit in there? I know he is a partner on a couple companies, but I don't think he founded any of them or even was involved with the running of them. it seems like he was do-it guy who created the patents that company then made. which would mean even under your definition of "qualified" he doesn't make it.

having a keen business sense isn't going to fix our nation, especially with you pointing the fixation on the focus on just the last quarter. if your plan is to just fire people you don't even need someone in charge to do that. IDK maybe there is some dumb law that does say DC needs someone in charge to even fire people.

 

[Grand Vol]

I was afraid looking it up, and yes that is the TV personality. great. the meme cabinet continues.

hopefully this means we end up with Brandon Herrera as head of the ATF

I want Colion Noir as head of the ATF.

 

[hog88]

ok, how does Oz fit in there? I know he is a partner on a couple companies, but I don't think he founded any of them or even was involved with the running of them. it seems like he was do-it guy who created the patents that company then made. which would mean even under your definition of "qualified" he doesn't make it.

having a keen business sense isn't going to fix our nation, especially with you pointing the fixation on the focus on just the last quarter. if your plan is to just fire people you don't even need someone in charge to do that. IDK maybe there is some dumb law that does say DC needs someone in charge to even fire people.

If you would stop ranting like a child you would see that I haven't once endorsed Oz for this position.

Look, as I said in an earlier post I have my doubts Oz will work out, if I had to place a bet I'd bet he fails miserably. But it's not because he doesn't know MC billing, it will be because he lacks skills to be a good manager at that level.

Having a keen business sense is the only thing that will fix this nation. For too long we have let people who have never done anything other than work their way though the bureaucracy advance into positions of leadership. It's all they know and love.

 

[LouderVol]

So what you're looking for is for the President's cabinet to be filled by former low-level administrative staff?

not necessarily, but considering the incredibly low level you guys are willing to accept as qualified, they apparently would be fine in your world.

its not like that paperwork, at least if MC is anything like the federal paperwork I deal with at my job, only gets worked on by the minimum wage employee. in my field an actual architect has to sign off on that stuff even if a high school drop out intern handles the actual typing of it. if someone was able to show me that Oz has handled that stuff in the past I would agree that would qualify him.

my understanding of the medical field is that the doctors/surgeons aren't the ones handling that side of the business. so I want someone who handles that side of the business.

 

[LouderVol]

I want Colion Noir as head of the ATF.

not familiar with him, may have to check out his stuff.

 

[DynaLo]

I want Colion Noir as head of the ATF.

Is he going to donate his salary to dog shelters, eliminate/reverse the insanity of the regulations and then request the agency be deleted entirely?

 

[LouderVol]

Having a keen business sense is the only thing that will fix this nation. For too long we have let people who have never done anything other than work their way though the bureaucracy advance into positions of leadership. It's all they know and love.

I simply disagree. Our nation was founded by people with a mixture of professions. that included business people, bureaucratic people, scientists, lawyers, farmers, soldiers, silver smiths, and many many more.

we are a nation, not a business. we can't just look at the bottom line. people and their rights become a line item, and very quickly disposed of in search of the almighty dollar.

 

[hog88]

I simply disagree. Our nation was founded by people with a mixture of professions. that included business people, bureaucratic people, scientists, lawyers, farmers, soldiers, silver smiths, and many many more.

we are a nation, not a business. we can't just look at the bottom line. people and their rights become a line item, and very quickly disposed of in search of the almighty dollar.

You're way, way over LGing it. A business mindset in government would in a lot of cases consider what good are you doing for the taxpayer as the profit margin.