Trump's Trade War with China a Total Failure

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landscapingvol said:
Sure thing chief, everything is a "non sequitur and deflection" that you disagree with. Lately, you seem to be agreeing more and more with Ol Joe's policies which speaks more about your own positions than anyone else on this board
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Dude, I'll credit you for knowing **** from shinola, but that's about it.
 
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Vol Main said:
"Trump's trade war was disastrous for the U.S. almost any way one calculates."

"Today the only undisputed 'historical' aspect of that agreement is its failure."

"China bought none of the additional $200 billion of exports Trump's deal had promised." The 57% was "not even enough to reach its import levels from before the trade war."

Column: Trump's trade deal with China turned out to be a huge, costly bust
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FFS....did anything happen in the two years prior to Feb. 2022? Should we go to war to force China to honor its obligations under the deal made with Trump? Or are you saying the U.S. should simply pretend China isn't our primary and most capable global foe, accept their intellectual property theft and economic rigging, and continue the business as usual that is funding THEIR military ascendancy?

I don't give a shite that U.S. consumers bore most cost of the tariff war. It was incredibly costly to fight in two world wars, and it was necessary. For the first time in decades, Trump's "failure" of a trade war awoke many in the West to the militant and economic danger of China. On that count - outweighing costs - it was a resounding success. The libertarian 'free markets and free minds' proponents have always been wrong about China, just as successive administrations through Obama have been wrong, yammering about prosperity liberalizing China.

"HELLOOOOO!...the 1980s - mid 2010s are calling and want their foreign policy back".

The Trump admin took on a complete and long overdue overhaul of foreign policy re: China, N. Korea, Iran, and the Middle East. What the left and neo-Cons call Trump's failed China policy is actually their decades-long failure to understand that totalitarians with resolve do not give up power. Trump did what he could. It is now up to the West to continue that diligence.

Read something useful that doesn't cater to your navel-gazing: Exclusive: Why Trump went hard on China, and Biden will follow
 
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NCFisher: "For the first time in decades, Trump's "failure" of a trade war awoke many in the West to the militant and economic danger of China. On that count - outweighing costs - it was a resounding success."

This is just more Trumpian nonsense, like Trump won the Election that he decisively lost.
 
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Septic said:
I just heard you say, "don't tell anyone but you're right, I was wrong and I'm sorry. I can't back up my statements so I thought I'd stand here, act tough and hoped no one noticed."

That's OK dude, I forgive you.
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Are you offended that landscapingvol is right? It appears you are trying to stand behind Joe while hiding it to more pragmatic posters because everyone knows he’s laughable and is now recognized as worse than Jimmy Carter.
 
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MG1968 said:
I said at the beginning that Trump’s trade protectionism was going to fail and that it isn’t a Republican or conservative ideal.
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China is a cheater and steals our intellectual property. They are different. It is simple to think "this is not a conservative idea" but it's more complex than that. He southern border policy is failing now too but is that his fault?
 
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MG1968 said:
I said at the beginning that Trump’s trade protectionism was going to fail and that it isn’t a Republican or conservative ideal.
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Many did but it was hailed as one of the key wins of his term
 
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Velo Vol said:
Correct. Sadly Biden has retained some of the tariffs that Trump initiated.
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Most politicians do dumb stuff because "they have to do something". You don't go into politics without a massive ego and part of that ego is thinking you have all the answers and it is up to you to correct all problems. Biden has a 50 year career of idiocy.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Are you offended that landscapingvol is right? It appears you are trying to stand behind Joe while hiding it to more pragmatic posters because everyone knows he’s laughable and is now recognized as worse than Jimmy Carter.
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Right in what respect?

He inserted a non sequitur and accused me of holding Biden's water. I've asked him to cite his source on my water carrying.

Perhaps you could help him out in pointing out where I've done that? Since you weighed in maybe you can help him put up or shut up.

Pointing out that Trumps deal sh*t the bed is not "standing behind Biden." Hell, I think Biden is doing a terrible job and can't wait to see him get bounced - I've pointed that out a number of times. But don't let that fact dissuade you bozos from trotting out the "yUo LuV BiD3n!" screech every time someone disses your savior, Donny Dotard.
 
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BreatheUT said:
China is a cheater and steals our intellectual property. They are different. It is simple to think "this is not a conservative idea" but it's more complex than that. He southern border policy is failing now too but is that his fault?
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Ok, let's run with China cheating and stealing intellectual property. Should we be trading with such ner-do-wells in the first place? If so, should we try to remedy their cheating and theft through trade protectionism?
 
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McDad said:
Ok, let's run with China cheating and stealing intellectual property. Should we be trading with such ner-do-wells in the first place? If so, should we try to remedy their cheating and theft through trade protectionism?
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How else do you combat it?
 
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hog88 said:
So after Joe took office the Chinese ignored the deal and that is a Trump failure?
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Yes. If your deal doesn't get executed, then you did it wrong. You can say it's on Biden, too.

Rewind a few years and you will find me telling everybody that part of the reason trade wars don't work is that presidents come and go.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yes. If your deal doesn't get executed, then you did it wrong. You can say it's on Biden, too.

Rewind a few years and you will find me telling everybody that part of the reason trade wars don't work is that presidents come and go.
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From what I have been able to find the Chinese were abiding by the deal until 2021. Kind of hard to pin it's failure on the guy that has no power to enforce it's provisions.
 
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BreatheUT said:
China is a cheater and steals our intellectual property. They are different. It is simple to think "this is not a conservative idea" but it's more complex than that. He southern border policy is failing now too but is that his fault?
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Blame is over rated.
 
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hog88 said:
From what I have been able to find the Chinese were abiding by the deal until 2021. Kind of hard to pin it's failure on the guy that has no power to enforce it's provisions.
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First of all, the Chinese abiding by the deal doesn't make it a good deal or make the trade war successful.

Second, again, we know presidents come and go.

Trade wars don't work. They're never a good idea. That's the bottom line. I'm saying Trump's trade war didn't work (surprise, surprise) and you're just explaining part of why they didn't work.
 
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McDad said:
Ok, let's run with China cheating and stealing intellectual property. Should we be trading with such ner-do-wells in the first place? If so, should we try to remedy their cheating and theft through trade protectionism?
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I think we should reduce reliance on China which potentially what tariffs do. American companies opening up shop and shipping back to the US is part of this issue. China then forces them to share some company technology with their military.
 
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