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volprof said:
No, that is absolutely not what I said.

I said he should be ran out on a rail for gross incompetency, for making him and his entire administration look guilty, even if they're completely innocent.

They all act guilty; if you seriously think they do not act that way, you are a fool. They seriously claimed yesterday (look it up) that they never were responsible for Flynn's vetting (their own NSA!) and don't even have any papers on him, for godssakes.
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right, so even if they aren't guilty they have to go. Can my D friends on here tell me if the R's on this board got that bad with Obama? I remember plenty of crack pot theories on why he should be gone, but never saw it come full circle to this point.
 
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LouderVol said:
right, so even if they aren't guilty they have to go. Can my D friends on here tell me if the R's on this board got that bad with Obama? I remember plenty of crack pot theories on why he should be gone, but never saw it come full circle to this point.
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I think when I say "gross incompetency," I'm also leaving out "obstruction of justice," my Donny-loving friend.
 
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Donny's "wiretap" tweet was actually enough alone to potentially send him backing.

He revealed top secret information, also related to federal investigations.

Of course the no-account loser didn't have a clue what he was talking about, but nonetheless.

I've heard that it was only after his tweets that he asked to be enlightened as to what FISA and FISC are.
 
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volprof said:
I think when I say "gross incompetency," I'm also leaving out "obstruction of justice," my Donny-loving friend.
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the funny part is that I am buying what you are selling. I just don't have a witch hunt going and am willing to wait for something to officially come out. and I like to at least pretend to have some impartiality to the whole thing.

and again would this obstruction of justice have anything to do with them being innocent? and maybe the firings were just getting rid of the incompetency (which is mostly agreed on) and not part of the Russian connection thing coming to light. which would make Trump at least not grossly incompetent to be identifying and removing worse incompetence.
 
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LouderVol said:
the funny part is that I am buying what you are selling. I just don't have a witch hunt going and am willing to wait for something to officially come out. and I like to at least pretend to have some impartiality to the whole thing.

and again would this obstruction of justice have anything to do with them being innocent? and maybe the firings were just getting rid of the incompetency (which is mostly agreed on) and not part of the Russian connection thing coming to light. which would make Trump at least not grossly incompetent to be identifying and removing worse incompetence.
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I apologize if I have misrepresented your views.

I think, however, that it is highly, highly unlikely any of the firings/resignations are Donny getting wise. I think they're Donny trying to do plausible deniability. Same reason why I imagine they used an imbecile "outsider" like Page to go directly to the Kremlin.

Donny is not an intellect; he's very stupid intellectually. But, like any long-time mobster, he is very crafty and dodgy. He, in other words, knows how to professionally do crime.
 
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volprof said:
I apologize if I have misrepresented your views.

I think, however, that it is highly, highly unlikely any of the firings/resignations are Donny getting wise. I think they're Donny trying to do plausible deniability. Same reason why I imagine they used an imbecile "outsider" like Page to go directly to the Kremlin.

Donny is not an intellect; he's very stupid intellectually. But, like any long-time mobster, he is very crafty and dodgy. He, in other words, knows how to professionally do crime.
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My views currently are:
1. The Russians did interfere. Now the question here is it that from the Kremlin (illegal possibly treasonous), or did team Trump just hire some trolls (possibly illegal) or did the Kremlin/trolls just really not want Hilary. (nothing illegal or illegitimate for Trump). also how much did they interfere? Targeted fake news stories is a stretch (possibly illegal if Trump directed). General fake news, or in some cases real news, aka Wikileaks, not illegal. last I have checked no one has been locked up for lying to the general public, and how many "leaks" have we seen with no heads rolling. or did they directly interfere? I doubt this because if that ever came out there would be war. and even that could happen without input from Team Trump and there has been zero evidence. plenty of other elections have been effected by false, or real, outside input before as far as stories and leader support.
2. Depending on the resolution to 1. I can buy members of team Trump knowing about this. but similar to the way college coaches avoid actually paying players, they just let the boosters do it, I don't see how it links in Trump. (so illegal for some in the party (possibly) but not Trump, and once it came out some were involved they were fired) this requires a lot of buy on Trump's side so who knows. but if Trump is as dumb as you say he could have easily missed this.
3. We will never know the truth. my suspicion is that the DNC did not turn over evidence about the hacks because it would implicate them in similar methods. and neither party is going to upset the basket. so I could see the worst of the above being true and us never knowing, because those in charge really don't care. they just want to be in power. but as usual I doubt things are as bad, or good, as they seem until the final story comes out.
 
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I love that vol prof now quotes the national enquirer. That made my day.

Next he will be telling his about the adventures of bat boy and how they found Noah's Ark
 
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Vol8188 said:
I love that vol prof now quotes the national enquirer. That made my day.

Next he will be telling his about the adventures of bat boy and how they found Noah's Ark
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I've long suspected this the case, but this to me is proof of my suspicions: the majority of you only half read what is posted here. The only thing that can possibly explain why the majority of you still seem to think this is all some silly joke.

Why, as I have stated already, do I post the National Enquirer as an actual source that should be taken seriously on this particular issue?

Please clarify that for all posters here. Or did you happen to overlook that in your glee?
 
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My promised daily reminder that Watergate was 27 months between crime and resignation.

27 months.

We're currently only 9-10 in. Hopefully it won't take 17-18 more.

Also, a reminder that precious little Jared, sweet boy, is guilty of the exact same thing that Flynn is currently experiencing "time in the barrel" for, if I can paraphrase Roger.
 
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Looks like Burnett is going to do a little "outfront" reporting about Donny, his Russian mob buddies, and Bharara here in a little bit.

Nothing we likely haven't known about for about two months now, but good that it's finally getting some actual national exposure.

Bharara and Scheiderman are going to come after Donny and his mob buddies hard.

He'll try to plead some sort of political hit defense, as Meatloaf Jr. has claimed is the major crime here, but it won't hold up in the end.
 
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My predictions for how the Donny defense team will pursue his legal defense:

1. NY AG charges: political hit job
2. FBI/DOJ charges: not aware, plus political hit job; if bad enough, his lawyers will also pursue mental incompetency, although I imagine Donny would have a difficult time conceding to that line of defense, even if it was a matter or not of his freedom
 
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volprof said:
Donny's "wiretap" tweet was actually enough alone to potentially send him backing.

He revealed top secret information, also related to federal investigations.

Of course the no-account loser didn't have a clue what he was talking about, but nonetheless.

I've heard that it was only after his tweets that he asked to be enlightened as to what FISA and FISC are.
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What's your source for claiming he released top secret information over a non secure line?
 
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Sin City Vol said:
The Enquirer did endorse Trump for President
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Looks like Meatloaf the III isn't going to answer my question about this, but, again, for the third or fourth time now, the National Enquirer is Donny's front for leaking to the public, just as Wikileaks is a front for RIS to leak to the public. All for plausible deniability.

This Washington Post article details it well. Do the math; don't be stupid:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-national-enquirer/?utm_term=.499ebbf52f63

So, yes, I cite the National Enquirer, because this is a freaking monster of a president that is in bed with the National Enquirer. What it says is what he's wanting his sycophant psycho-base to think.
 
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I've never really thought about it till now, but what a relevant username you have, fallguy.

I suspect Flynn will be the first one.

Kushner, even though he is on record for having committed the same crimes (that's a fact; look it up), will be the last.

Gotta preserve precious little Jared, sweet boy, till the last. His crimes and Donny's are by far the worse.
 
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I don't know if accurate or not, but for consideration:

https://twitter.com/chrizap/status/857345794050899968

Notice, with the Syria strike, Donny never actually criticized Putin. Nor did the strike actually do anything of any substance really.

Putin can put up with a bit of wriggle room from Donny. But the moment Donny actually criticizes Putin, which he has absolutely never done, that will cross the line. At that point, Donny will be an American (fake) president questioning the legitimacy of his (Putin's) rule. And that Putin cannot tolerate.

Furthermore, as I have said all along, do not be surprised at all either if Donny eventually pulls a Tito - in other words, goes rogue. I have seen no sign that he has done that yet, despite missile strike charades in Syria, but it is a possibility still.
 
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This thread has made me realize there are crazy people among us. I think someone needs to spend a little time on the couch talking out their problems.

It's like Rainman, Chicken Little, and Nancy Pelosi had a love child.
 
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volprof said:
I've never really thought about it till now, but what a relevant username you have, fallguy.

I suspect Flynn will be the first one.

Kushner, even though he is on record for having committed the same crimes (that's a fact; look it up), will be the last.

Gotta preserve precious little Jared, sweet boy, till the last. His crimes and Donny's are by far the worse.
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The big story that is going to come out of this is Kushner.

Just weeks before he filled out his info and failed to list it, he met with a Russian banker who went to the Russian spy school. And the whole issue of Russian contacts was big news at the the time.

There's no way he can credibly claim he just forgot. And now the Senate is asking questions.

Now, given his youth and naïveté, my guess is that he quietly fades from the administration, in exchange for which everyone agrees not to seek charges. That is, unless there is proof of any actual compromise of him. Then all bets are off and he better lawyer up.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The big story that is going to come out of this is Kushner.

Just weeks before he filled out his info and failed to list it, he met with a Russian banker who went to the Russian spy school. And the whole issue of Russian contacts was big news at the the time.

There's no way he can credibly claim he just forgot. And now the Senate is asking questions.

Now, given his youth and naïveté, my guess is that he quietly fades from the administration, in exchange for which everyone agrees not to seek charges. That is, unless there is proof of any actual compromise of him. Then all bets are off and he better lawyer up.
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My hope is he ends up in a prison cell, where he belongs, for crimes against the American state and people, but he may very well end up just "fading away" into obscurity, as you say.

From what I've read about him, he is, without question, the most corrupt of the entire crew. Reason why I mock him as "sweet boy." I've read some sources that suggest he is in as much as 4 billion in foreign debt. Makes Donny look legitimate, although he admittedly may not be a rapist, like Donny likely is.

Funny you should bring precious little Jared, sweet boy, up though. Maddow did another stunning report tonight on him and his shady (that's putting it mildly) business deals, one including a partner that is currently on trial for an FBI wiretap in Africa (yeah, I didn't know that was possible either, but evidently legal). The Times also broke a story related to this as well today, including a corrupt Israeli business partner. Anyhow, point of the story was: do you really think Jared was so stupid he didn't realize what he was doing?

The segment also brought up the Baku/Iranian military money laundering deal, which I still can't believe no MSM has ever discussed (certainly not surprising it's gotten no attention around here), and the things Maddow's dumpster diving brought up about that would seem to confirm what a source I follow suggested last week about Trump spawn being on tape committing felonies. That coupled with the FBI Africa wiretapping related story. Maddow did not say that; I only inferred that, however.

When this is over, Maddow will have won a Pulitzer, and her program will have won an Emmy.

And Donny will, god willing, be in prison.
 
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Wasn't it Obsessed that said about 3-4 weeks ago, around the time of the Susan Rice fake news, that Evelyn Farkas went on Maddow (or MSNBC in general) and admitted to the Obama Administration spying on Team Donny?

I remember that specifically. That claim at least.

Where in the heck did that come from? Breitbart?

Never once did she do such. She's on Maddow again now, basically laying the hammer to the real criminals and their violations of security clearances and forms. You know, felonies.
 
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volprof said:
And I'm on record that, even in the unlikely event I end up being proven completely wrong here or that the FBI pursues nothing, I will still think Donny ought to be impeached for gross incompetency.

He and his whole cohort simply act like guilty people, and they ought to be run out on a rail for making all of this worse, wasting tax dollars on the investigation, and creating political chaos in the process, especially if there was nothing ever there.
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You're on record alright, you've made at least 10 double albums full of propaganda bs.
 
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