TrumPutinGate

[volger]

Personally speaking, idgaf about whose side is winning or rising or falling. Thats where we differ. I couldnt care less about the democratic party. If the whole thing dissolved tomorrow I wouldnt give a ****. I dont care about Hillary, Obama was a decent POTUS but I dont believe he was incapable of doing wrong. All you care about is "your side" winning. I would rather have a POTUS that is a decent human being and not a complete embarassment to anyone with a IQ higher than that ****ing bag of chips. Its laughable you claim all you want is whats best for the country then just talk **** about the democratic party simply because you feel like you've somehow "won" something. You havent won anything. Trump played you and you look stupid for blindly supporting an embicil simply because he has an R in front of his name and "the other side lost."

Yeah, that's where you lost me.

He won the first time as a joke. He won the 2nd time as a result of that joke.







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[1972 Grad]

Tell you what I'm going to do, I'm going to make a thread specifically for you guys who think working with a foreign enemy isn't a bad thing to discuss the merits of collusion/conspiracy/treason/etc. That will give you a place to discuss your thoughts.

Did Congress declare war on Russia?

 

[AM64]

Tell you what I'm going to do, I'm going to make a thread specifically for you guys who think working with a foreign enemy isn't a bad thing to discuss the merits of collusion/conspiracy/treason/etc. That will give you a place to discuss your thoughts.

Well, on one hand you did have a bunch of clowns doing government work including storing classified information on private servers. They didn't seem too worried about what they gave away, and still felt qualified for higher level positions. They further failed to hand over servers so that it was possible to see what had been compromised, and the DOJ and FBI were willing to let that slide.

If the FBI couldn't or wouldn't follow up, I can't fault the Trump team for taking any opportunity to find out what nobody else in government could manage - especially if he might be running a country compromised by Clinton's utter disregard for security. Clinton should have been in jail - not running for president. It's one thing losing the information, but compounding it by not disclosing what was lost to repair the damage was inexcusable - she's still walking the streets, but nobody is buying.

Just one other little detail. Remember the Dim concern that Flynn would have been blackmail fodder by the Russians just because he talked to some of them? What would Hiliary have been for anybody holding the server contents? It's kinda tough to get an entire foreign government to feel suicidal.

 

[volprof]

Well, on one hand you did have a bunch of clowns doing government work including storing classified information on private servers. They didn't seem too worried about what they gave away, and still felt qualified for higher level positions. They further failed to hand over servers so that it was possible to see what had been compromised, and the DOJ and FBI were willing to let that slide.

If the FBI couldn't or wouldn't follow up, I can't fault the Trump team for taking any opportunity to find out what nobody else in government could manage - especially if he might be running a country compromised by Clinton's utter disregard for security. Clinton should have been in jail - not running for president. It's one thing losing the information, but compounding it by not disclosing what was lost to repair the damage was inexcusable - she's still walking the streets, but nobody is buying.

Just one other little detail. Remember the Dim concern that Flynn would have been blackmail fodder by the Russians just because he talked to some of them? What would Hiliary have been for anybody holding the server contents? It's kinda tough to get an entire foreign government to feel suicidal.

I've said for at least the past two years now that Hillary would have been a highly compromised president, especially by the Kremlin.

Just not nearly as much as Donny, which is another reason I voted for her.

 

[Carl Pickens]

It's statements like that that tilt me toward amusement. Thanks.

Ignorance is one of the more palatable explanations.

You're an admitted socialist loother....suck that teet until you're buck toothed and never let go

 

[volprof]

Did Congress declare war on Russia?

If Americans who conspire with al-Qaeada, the Taliban, or ISIS can be tried for treason, so can a big orange bloated bastard who conspired with a foreign nation in its attack upon the very foundations of our nation and our society.

For the record, cyberattack is now an Article 5 cause for NATO. I don't know how that affects our internal definitions of treason, since it is an international entity, but we are also party to its laws as a ratified member. So, if NATO determines a cyber campaign an act of war (whether or not it decides to trigger Article 5), then there is perhaps further legal precedent here, since we are a signed member.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

Especially since, by some reports, Donny has tried to turn it into his own propaganda platform.

Or perhaps I'm thinking of Voice of America.

Yep, had his sights set on turning VOA into his personal mouthpiece, which is pretty ridiculous considering its objectives:

1. VOA will serve as a consistently reliable and authoritative source of news. VOA news will be accurate, objective, and comprehensive. 2. VOA will represent America, not any single segment of American society, and will therefore present a balanced and comprehensive projection of significant American thought and institutions. 3. VOA will present the policies of the United States clearly and effectively, and will also present responsible discussions and opinion on these policies.

 

[volprof]

Yep, had his sights set on turning VOA into his personal mouthpiece, which is pretty ridiculous considering its objectives:

Eh, what's the defined objectives of Voice of America to a would-be despot?

 

[volprof]

I couldn't disagree more.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-emails-jared-kushner-donald-jr-a7842496.html

He'll see us in a civil war before he leaves of his own volition. In the end, he'll have to be literally dragged from the White House and likely in handcuffs.

 

[Burger]

I couldn't disagree more.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-emails-jared-kushner-donald-jr-a7842496.html

He'll see us in a civil war before he leaves of his own volition. In the end, he'll have to be literally dragged from the White House and likely in handcuffs.

If there is going to be a civil war, it's going to be because of the massive division and identity politics of the last 30 years.

 

[newarkvol]

I guess that depends on what one wants to refer to as nihilism. Do you want to go back and call the Skeptics nihilists, though they were but mere preludes to nihilism? Or the scientism in Turgenev's novel? Or the early Russian anarchy writings?

Or should we just allow me the leeway to claim Nietzsche as the "founder" of what we now refer to as nihilism today.

You really do stay in a poor mood don't you, VP?

Get beyond the wiki article Orangecrush and really read Nietzsche. He understood because "god is dead".,,as humans have created god... and science as a discipline had begun to establish itself as the arbiter of knowledge and truth, --BUT not in the realm of morality,-- consequently this would set in motion the deterioration of the encompassing christian(mob religions) and their importance to a functioning society. Nietzsche said ..so be it-- He might have been a moral relativist as in his enmity for the concepts of "good" and "bad" ... Value is something we must attain for ourselves, to not rely on the dogma of a mob religion. Nihilism for Nietzsche was something to be conquered.. Nihilism thus being A starting point and not an end.. the rest of the your comment(s).. Honestly-they are difficult to follow at times

 

[McDad]

I couldn't disagree more.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-emails-jared-kushner-donald-jr-a7842496.html

He'll see us in a civil war before he leaves of his own volition. In the end, he'll have to be literally dragged from the White House and likely in handcuffs.

You can be part of history. You've got time to apply, be hired and trained as a Capitol Hill policeman. You can be on the force as a force for good by the time it all hits the fan for DJT. When allegations turn into confirmations, you can be right there in the middle of an unprecedented event.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I couldn't disagree more.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-emails-jared-kushner-donald-jr-a7842496.html

He'll see us in a civil war before he leaves of his own volition. In the end, he'll have to be literally dragged from the White House and likely in handcuffs.

I feel like you really want all this crap to come true, you want thousands of people to die and chaos to take control. And for what? Because the candidate who won is not the one you voted for? That's ridiculous because at the end of the day to any of these policies effect you directly? Forgive me if I missed the policy Trump put into place exclusively for you.

I'm being sincere with you when I say this so please take it to heart, you need to seek professional help and fast.

 

[golfballs]

Told you all on the first page of this thread that it would become the most important on VolNation. And here we are.

That hasn't changed, and that is not going to change, unless someone ends up making a unique "The Don Gang Trials" thread to discuss all of the coming arrests, charges, trials, and sentences.

Or unless we have a major constitutional crisis and/or civil war, and that thread takes the place of this one, in which case I highly doubt any of us will be on here posting anymore. We'll probably be too worried about dodging bullets from our neighbors or finding uncontaminated water or foraging for gasoline.

This thread is a great example of quality vs quantity

 

[hog88]

Innocent people who haven't been charged with anything paying $10,000s for high profile lawyers?

You've seen the billing records?

 

[hog88]

W. changed all the rules on that, ergo why Americans who have conspired with al-Qaeada and Taliban have been tried for treason.

The Don Gang must be tried for treason, with the death penalty on the table. If not, it will only embolden others to behave like this in the future.

Al Qaeda been around since 1952?

 

[hog88]

It indicates that it's real, not a "hoax."

No it doesn't. Any smart person who gets a whiff that they are potentially under investigation hires a lawyer.

 

[davethevol]

I've said for at least the past two years now that Hillary would have been a highly compromised president, especially by the Kremlin.

Just not nearly as much as Donny, which is another reason I voted for her.

No, the reason you voted for her is because you have zero morals, just like her. You can try to pretend that she's the lesser of two evils, but she isn't.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It indicates that it's real, not a "hoax."

It indicates that the accusations are real; little more.

 

[Orange_Crush]

"Trash" was too strong a word, and I shouldn't have used it.

The point of charity, however, is to give. In terms of the morality of giving, if their is incentive, then it is merely a transaction, not charity.

I do understand why the government does it though - to incentivize "giving." Otherwise, far fewer people would donate to charities, especially large donations, because, you know, they're not actually charitable. Thus my original point.

Lots of people would give to charity, whether they could claim it on taxes or not. The fact that the govt incentivizes it has little to do with it for those people, except that the gov't offers a tax break for having done what they would have done anyway.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Get beyond the wiki article Orangecrush and really read Nietzsche. He understood because "god is dead".,,as humans have created god... and science as a discipline had begun to establish itself as the arbiter of knowledge and truth, --BUT not in the realm of morality,-- consequently this would set in motion the deterioration of the encompassing christian(mob religions) and their importance to a functioning society. Nietzsche said ..so be it-- He might have been a moral relativist as in his enmity for the concepts of "good" and "bad" ... Value is something we must attain for ourselves, to not rely on the dogma of a mob religion. Nihilism for Nietzsche was something to be conquered.. Nihilism thus being A starting point and not an end.. the rest of the your comment(s).. Honestly-they are difficult to follow at times

I've read Nietzsche. I feel as though I've understood him. My post wasn't meant as a full thesis of him or nihilism, but as a tongue in cheek poke at VP. If you'll read his sig (and his history of railing against--and accusations toward--certain nihilistic values), maybe my post will make more sense.

 

[luthervol]

guess I'm not as smart as you think, my friend. Your fish tale, to me, was about detecting what happened to kill the fish.
I still don't understand what the election of Trump sans collusion implies and why that's unacceptable about voters.

Dead fish in tank = Trump's presidency
Heater being turned up = election results
9 year old boy = voting public

Really?

I didn't say collusion was unacceptable, but that no collusion or interference carried the unacceptable implications.

 

[McDad]

Dead fish in tank = Trump's presidency
Heater being turned up = election results
9 year old boy = voting public

Really?

Perhaps allegories arent your strength.

 

[Vol8188]

Dead fish in tank = Trump's presidency
Heater being turned up = election results
9 year old boy = voting public

Really?

I didn't say collusion was unacceptable, but that no collusion or interference carried the unacceptable implications.

And what are the unacceptable implications?

 

[Orangedogsrule]

It's interesting that you point that out. Being an old fart I have taken the local newspaper for decades and have now decided to cancel it. The Knoxville News-Sentinel was bought out by whatever company owns the USA Today network and they have become too liberal for my money. So they can kiss my $29 a month goodbye.

Did they fire John Adams?