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volfanhill said:
When did I claim Muller was out of bounds? Take your time.
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I don't know if you did? I don't know if I ever claimed that you did? But many have, and many more will as the investigation continues and grows.

I'll be here to remind everyone of how it's worked in the past.
 
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hog88 said:
Again, Starr wasn't investigating his perjury. The perjury was brought to his attention and he was asked to pursue it. He should have refused.
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Go back and read the articles I posted. You may be operating under some misconceptions.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't know if you did? I don't know if I ever claimed that you did? But many have, and many more will as the investigation continues and grows.

I'll be here to remind everyone of how it's worked in the past.
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Well I haven't .

As far as the last part goes, go ahead and put that on a resume, and see how much it helps you in life.
 
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luthervol said:
Yes. But if not, illegal financial dealings with Russia and lies to cover it up will be enough.
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ends justify the means?

sure sounds like you are gunning for Trump regardless of what it takes.

FTR - I never thought Clinton should have been impeached. His perjury was in a civil case and while that deserved penalties it in no way rose to high crimes and misdemeanors for removal of an elected POTUS.

If they find something similar on Trump I stand by that standard.
 
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volinbham said:
ends justify the means?

sure sounds like you are gunning for Trump regardless of what it takes.

FTR - I never thought Clinton should have been impeached. His perjury was in a civil case and while that deserved penalties it in no way rose to high crimes and misdemeanors for removal of an elected POTUS.

If they find something similar on Trump I stand by that standard.
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If he has a history of illegal financial dealings with Russia and has lied to cover it up, then of course he should be impeached...that has nothing to do with ends justifying the means.

But yes, in some extreme and rare instances, the end does justify the means. Getting Trump out of office? I don't think it will ever have to get to that point.
 
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luthervol said:
My days of needing a resume are long past, but thanks for the advice.
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I have worked for the same company for 16 years. I am 35. Have been promoted numerous times. I update mine every six months. You should too. Just don't include what I advised not to.
 
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volfanhill said:
I have worked for the same company for 16 years. I am 35. Have been promoted numerous times. I update mine every six months. You should too. Just don't include what I advised not to.
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If I decide to look for a post retirement job, I'll get it updated.
 
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luthervol said:
If I decide to look for a post retirement job, I'll get it updated.
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Retired ! Good for you man! That's great. I had my review with my boss today. Pissed her off for the second year in a row. She asked what my long term goal is. My answer was to retire as early as possible. She hates that.
 
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luthervol said:
If he has a history of illegal financial dealings with Russia and has lied to cover it up, then of course he should be impeached...that has nothing to do with ends justifying the means.

But yes, in some extreme and rare instances, the end does justify the means. Getting Trump out of office? I don't think it will ever have to get to that point.
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what if those dealings were in the 90s? 80s? even 10 years ago?

also the "lied to cover it up" is very premature since he hasn't testified to Mueller or Comey or anyone else since this investigation began.

If there is Russian collusion then let's have it but trying to find financial misdeeds in his history that may involve Russia is the definition of a witch hunt.
 
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volfanhill said:
Retired ! Good for you man! That's great. I had my review with my boss today. Pissed her off for the second year in a row. She asked what my long term goal is. My answer was to retire as early as possible. She hates that.
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That's a worthy goal. A better boss would see the wisdom in that answer. And no, I'm not retired, but I am in that comfortable position of being able to walk away any day I wish and being okay. (In a way that's even better than being retired - working because you want to and not because you have to is refreshing.)
 
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volinbham said:
what if those dealings were in the 90s? 80s? even 10 years ago?

also the "lied to cover it up" is very premature since he hasn't testified to Mueller or Comey or anyone else since this investigation began.

If there is Russian collusion then let's have it but trying to find financial misdeeds in his history that may involve Russia is the definition of a witch hunt.
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I don't agree. If he has had illegal dealings with Russia, then they know it and are using it against him. And if he has had illegal dealings with Russia, then he has already lied about it.
 
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luthervol said:
That's a worthy goal. A better boss would see the wisdom in that answer. And no, I'm not retired, but I am in that comfortable position of being able to walk away any day I wish and being okay. (In a way that's even better than being retired - working because you want to and not because you have to is refreshing.)
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Good for you sir! That's awesome
 
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luthervol said:
That's a worthy goal. A better boss would see the wisdom in that answer. And no, I'm not retired, but I am in that comfortable position of being able to walk away any day I wish and being okay. (In a way that's even better than being retired - working because you want to and not because you have to is refreshing.)
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I'm peanut butter & jealous.
 
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volfanhill said:
The IRS? The federal elections commission ?
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they asked about illegal financial dealings with Russia sometime over the last 30 years? Interesting.

We've had plenty of Congressional members who filed false tax returns, etc. - I don't recall any of them being forced out of their jobs as a result.

To be honest - if you did business in Russia (any business) in the 80s or 90s it be hard to say it was 100% clean and not in some way connected to the Russian government.

If we find massive fraud, I'll listen. If it's some violation from 10 years or more ago then I'll say GTFO as far as impeachment goes.
 
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volinbham said:
they asked about illegal financial dealings with Russia sometime over the last 30 years? Interesting.

We've had plenty of Congressional members who filed false tax returns, etc. - I don't recall any of them being forced out of their jobs as a result.

To be honest - if you did business in Russia (any business) in the 80s or 90s it be hard to say it was 100% clean and not in some way connected to the Russian government.

If we find massive fraud, I'll listen. If it's some violation from 10 years or more ago then I'll say GTFO as far as impeachment goes.
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Yes it all depends on what they find
 
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luthervol said:
I don't agree. If he has had illegal dealings with Russia, then they know it and are using it against him. And if he has had illegal dealings with Russia, then he has already lied about it.
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Have you ever heard of the term statute of limitations?
 
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Grand Vol said:
That's because you are rational and not foaming at the mouth like many are.
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I do have to keep a handkerchief nearby at all times.

Granted, my bar of what would constitute an impeachable offense is set much lower than yours. Primarily because I desperately want Trump out of office ASAP for the good of human existence. The thing is, as has been stated ad nauseum throughout this thread, the house and senate are controlled by republicans. If they conclude that whatever misdeeds are found rise to the level of impeachment, I'm confident it will be justified. (Much more so than Clinton's impeachment - speaking of ad nauseum)
 
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luthervol said:
I do have to keep a handkerchief nearby at all times.

Granted, my bar of what would constitute an impeachable offense is set much lower than yours. Primarily because I desperately want Trump out of office ASAP for the good of human existence. The thing is, as has been stated ad nauseum throughout this thread, the house and senate are controlled by republicans. If they conclude that whatever misdeeds are found rise to the level of impeachment, I'm confident it will be justified. (Much more so than Clinton's impeachment - speaking of ad nauseum)
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In other words you're putting your personal feelings above the overall welfare of the overwhelming majority of Americans who put Trump in office , John McCain says hello. And don't give me this BS retort about Hillary won the popular vote, Trump won 87% of the counties nationwide. There's no collusion on Trumps part however there's a shltload of evidence that Hillary and company did collude with the Russians. You guys really haven't learned a thing since the election.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
In other words you're putting your personal feelings above the overall welfare of the overwhelming majority of Americans who put Trump in office , John McCain says hello. And don't give me this BS retort about Hillary won the popular vote, Trump won 87% of the counties nationwide. There's no collusion on Trumps part however there's a shltload of evidence that Hillary and company did collude with the Russians. You guys really haven't learned a thing since the election.
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Overwhelming majority of Americans???????

The line which tethers you to reality may be dangerously frayed.

Tell John "hi" back. He's one of the few men (or women) of principle left on the right.

Us guys have learned a thing or two since the election; primarily that our fears of a Trump presidency were not unfounded.
 
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