TrumPutinGate

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Mick said:
What has Trump done? Walk out of an arms treaty. What do you see as Trump sticking it to the Ruskies?
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For one, the Ruskies are not happy about it since they were cheating and we were not. Trump's goals are to free ourselves from the constraints (eg update/modify our arsenal) that only we were following and to renegotiate with inclusion of China this time around. Russia is absolutely not a fan of this move. (unless they secretly are and you and LG have cracked the code)
 
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FYI

The treaty, concluded in 1987, barred the United States and Russia from deploying missiles with a range from 500 to 5,500 km, and largely was credited with banishing nuclear missiles from Europe.


Bolton avoided directly answering questions from press about whether “we’ll soon be seeing US missiles in Europe”, saying only that the single country constrained by the INF treaty was the United States.

Now do you see why Putin don't like it?

US confirms withdrawal from nuclear arms treaty with Russia
 
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volinbham said:
For one, the Ruskies are not happy about it since they were cheating and we were not. Trump's goals are to free ourselves from the constraints (eg update/modify our arsenal) that only we were following and to renegotiate with inclusion of China this time around. Russia is absolutely not a fan of this move. (unless they secretly are and you and LG have cracked the code)
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Good luck with that.
 
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volinbham said:
FYI

The treaty, concluded in 1987, barred the United States and Russia from deploying missiles with a range from 500 to 5,500 km, and largely was credited with banishing nuclear missiles from Europe.


Bolton avoided directly answering questions from press about whether “we’ll soon be seeing US missiles in Europe”, saying only that the single country constrained by the INF treaty was the United States.

Now do you see why Putin don't like it?
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I know quite a bit about the program that was eliminated because of the treaty. You think congress or Trump is capable of such feats? Who are you trying to kid?
 
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volinbham said:
You are the one arguing that Putin doesn't care about this move. He's against it, demonstrably so but somehow he's still controlling Trump.
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Welcome to the show. He really showed them. lol. I guess they will come up with a better deal when they meet face to face next month. lol. A tremendous deal. The best deal ever. There has never been a better deal in the history of deals. No collusion.
 
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Mick said:
Welcome to the show. He really showed them. lol. I guess they will come up with a better deal when they meet face to face next month. lol. A tremendous deal. The best deal ever. There has never been a better deal in the history of deals. No collusion.
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It's amazing how many things you have to ignore to stick to your narrative. That's how conspiracy theories work though.
 
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volinbham said:
It's amazing how many things you have to ignore to stick to your narrative. That's how conspiracy theories work though.
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This TrumPutingate issue has got to be the greatest thing in politics in a generation.

BONUS: it's also exposing the crazy lefties for who they are. (It's nice to have a thread that rounds them up in one spot)
 
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volinbham said:
It's amazing how many things you have to ignore to stick to your narrative. That's how conspiracy theories work though.
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Trump, a self proclaimed Nationalist, wants to put more short range nukes in europe. Does that fit any sort of narrative of being a good idea? I will bitch if it comes down to that but right now all he has done is give them free reign to move their **** wherever they want.
 
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The US has made great strides at reducing nuclear arms in past Administrations. And yet, Bham and DC are wanting more nukes in Europe because of Trump. Pulling out of this deal give us the flexibility to do that but is that a good idea? The best outcome is for a "better deal". The better deal is the goal, and thus far all he has done is let them do what they want.

Why in such a hurry to claim some sort of victory for Trump on this? Is he still working on some sort of Peace Prize since the NK one didn't come through?
 
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Trump has been appeasing Putin since before he got elected. Putin sits down with Bolton and goes on and on about how the US is a failing empire, no longer a world player. And Bolton just takes it, thanks him, and makes sure to reiterate that Russian interference in 2016 made no difference.

Yeah. Everything is okay.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump has been appeasing Putin since before he got elected. Putin sits down with Bolton and goes on and on about how the US is a failing empire, no longer a world player. And Bolton just takes it, thanks him, and makes sure to reiterate that Russian interference in 2016 made no difference.

Yeah. Everything is okay.
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Don’t forget the Russian bots that got us to vote against Hillary and for Trump that last week when we were all undecided who to vote for . 😊
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump has been appeasing Putin since before he got elected. Putin sits down with Bolton and goes on and on about how the US is a failing empire, no longer a world player. And Bolton just takes it, thanks him, and makes sure to reiterate that Russian interference in 2016 made no difference.

Yeah. Everything is okay.
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I think a fist fight between Bolton and Putin would have been more appropriate.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think a fist fight between Bolton and Putin would have been more appropriate.
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I think it should be settled with a bear ridding / mustache growing contest , best two out of three gets to give the other a noogie on CNN live .
 
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Trump adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI will tell Congress the FBI and BRITISH spies plotted together to stop president winning White House
Former Donald Trump campaign foreign policy aide George Papadopoulos plans to push back against federal investigators in congressional testimony Thursday – and plans to argue the FBI and British intelligence tried to 'infiltrate' the campaign.

Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI as part of the Robert Mueller investigation, and was sentenced to two weeks in prison.

He is using his Twitter account to launch increasingly aggressive attacks on investigators and former U.S. intelligence officials, and will tell Congress behind closed doors about what he calls a 'political scandal' of trying to 'sabotage' the campaign.

'I didn't want to have to expose the biggest political scandal in modern history,' Papadopoulos tweeted last week. 'I was happy living on the Greek islands. But, guess life works in mysterious ways and I am happy I was called.'

In another tweet this week, he wrote: 'Americans are not morons. You couldn't expect a guy (me) who was linked into western diplomatic circles,and never knowingly met a Russian official, to all of a sudden be a patsy for a 'Russia' conspiracy. My set up was carefully orchestrated.'

He called for top U.S. news outlets to 'take on what should be the story of the century. The Trump campaign was infiltrated by western intelligence and sabotaged.'

According to a letter from his lawyer Caroline Polisi reviewed by the Atlantic, Papadopoulos will testify about nine individuals, several of whom are among the most enigmatic of the Russia probe.

Among them is the Maltest professor Joseph Mifsud identified as the person who claimed the Russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton. Mifsud has disappeared, although his lawyer sent the Associated Press a photo indicated he was in Zurich as recently as May.

He will also discuss Belarus businessman Sergei Millian and Cambridge University professor Stefan Halper, an FBI source who made contact with Trump officials including Papadopoulos during the campaign.

He told the publication he thinks he came under scrutiny because he had 'energy business ties to Cyprus and Israel that threatened British interests.'

'Do you really think someone like me who had no connection at all to Russia would just randomly run into the one guy on the planet who apparently had the keys to the kingdom regarding a massive conspiracy?' he asked.

Papadopoulos to tell Congress the FBI and BRITISH spies plotted together to stop Trump | Daily Mail Online
 
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Mick said:
The US has made great strides at reducing nuclear arms in past Administrations. And yet, Bham and DC are wanting more nukes in Europe because of Trump. Pulling out of this deal give us the flexibility to do that but is that a good idea? The best outcome is for a "better deal". The better deal is the goal, and thus far all he has done is let them do what they want.

Why in such a hurry to claim some sort of victory for Trump on this? Is he still working on some sort of Peace Prize since the NK one didn't come through?
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Comprehension is hard. I've not advocated for more missiles in Europe - I merely pointed out that is a reason Putin doesn't like the treaty pullout.

I've not declared victory for Trump - I merely pointed out that he's taking an action that Putin is firmly against and it's one more example of Trump doing so but you cling to Trump is a Putin puppet narrative despite mounds of evidence to the contrary.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Trump adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI will tell Congress the FBI and BRITISH spies plotted together to stop president winning White House
Former Donald Trump campaign foreign policy aide George Papadopoulos plans to push back against federal investigators in congressional testimony Thursday – and plans to argue the FBI and British intelligence tried to 'infiltrate' the campaign.

Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI as part of the Robert Mueller investigation, and was sentenced to two weeks in prison.

He is using his Twitter account to launch increasingly aggressive attacks on investigators and former U.S. intelligence officials, and will tell Congress behind closed doors about what he calls a 'political scandal' of trying to 'sabotage' the campaign.

'I didn't want to have to expose the biggest political scandal in modern history,' Papadopoulos tweeted last week. 'I was happy living on the Greek islands. But, guess life works in mysterious ways and I am happy I was called.'

In another tweet this week, he wrote: 'Americans are not morons. You couldn't expect a guy (me) who was linked into western diplomatic circles,and never knowingly met a Russian official, to all of a sudden be a patsy for a 'Russia' conspiracy. My set up was carefully orchestrated.'

He called for top U.S. news outlets to 'take on what should be the story of the century. The Trump campaign was infiltrated by western intelligence and sabotaged.'

According to a letter from his lawyer Caroline Polisi reviewed by the Atlantic, Papadopoulos will testify about nine individuals, several of whom are among the most enigmatic of the Russia probe.

Among them is the Maltest professor Joseph Mifsud identified as the person who claimed the Russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton. Mifsud has disappeared, although his lawyer sent the Associated Press a photo indicated he was in Zurich as recently as May.

He will also discuss Belarus businessman Sergei Millian and Cambridge University professor Stefan Halper, an FBI source who made contact with Trump officials including Papadopoulos during the campaign.

He told the publication he thinks he came under scrutiny because he had 'energy business ties to Cyprus and Israel that threatened British interests.'

'Do you really think someone like me who had no connection at all to Russia would just randomly run into the one guy on the planet who apparently had the keys to the kingdom regarding a massive conspiracy?' he asked.

Papadopoulos to tell Congress the FBI and BRITISH spies plotted together to stop Trump | Daily Mail Online
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You are one fine clearinghouse for right wing propaganda.
 
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