TrumPutinGate

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Weezer said:
There is an answer that could fit. We all know Trump is an egomaniac. It could be his ego won't allow him to accept he won on anything less than his own merits. It's possible his subordinates acted without his knowledge for this reason. I'm not saying this is what happened, but you asked for a possible answer. I'm sure offering up this supposition will get me attacked again, but Trump's psychology provides a possible answer.
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I'm not going to attack you for it, it is actually a plausible explanation.

I would counter that, if Trump wanted to show he won on his own merits, he'd want the investigation to affirmatively prove those guys acted on their own. He would not want the cloud of suspicion to be out there that he won via these characters helping him out.

Personally, I don't see it. Trump's own comments about not having had any ties to Russia when he was trying to do a deal for Trump Tower in Moscow; Trump drafting the fake press release on the meeting; Trump saying dirt was coming; his son and son in law and campaign chief all attend the meeting. Way, way too much coincidence for Trump not to have been told.

Now, it could be that Trump knew but did not think anything was really wrong with that. He was a campaign newbie, after all. And I'd be somewhat forgiving if he fessed up to that at the time. Some short term pain for him, maybe a censure, but we wouldn't even be talking about it now.

But no, Trump had to try to derail the investigation, undermine it, and lie. When he does that, it makes me think there was more to it, a quid pro quo, or some sort of indebtedness at work.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Is there a link to info on this hearing thing? I haven’t heard about that.

I’m a little fuzzy on the timeline but wasnt Trump meddling with the FBI to keep them from handling it what got Mueller appointed in the first place?

Also haven’t both chambers been run by Trumpists for the last two years? There’s been no meaningful congressional investigation or push back on anything he’s done until this week. They had whatever hearings they had where the campaign staff showed up and said they didn’t know anything about Russia, which has proven to be a lie in many cases. A lie which would have gone unpunished if things had been left up to the usual suspects.

Even if Putin had personally frog marched these guys into the House wearing nothing but those tiny souvenier Russian flags over their man-parts, McConnel probably wouldn’t let a bill come Up for a vote when it got to the Senate.

Finally, it’s not like Mueller is dropping the hammer on the guy from the campaign mailroom who didn’t know anything. He’s prosecuting Campaign staffers for crimes they actually committed and, so far, they’re getting sentences commensurate with what they’ve been convicted of.
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Here's a link about the hearing, whole bunch of them out there.

Russian firm pleads not guilty in Mueller election case

I don't remember anything about Trump meddling with the FBI, The Muell was appointed after he fired Comey.

You don't have to control both chambers to submit legislation so even a D could have submitted a bill designed to make collusion a crime. Hasn't happened.

You're stretching the facts just a bit claiming staffers lied saying they didn't know anything about Russia, hell even the FBI agent that interviewed Flynn didn't think he lied or that his statements warranted prosecution. The only people The Muell have prosecuted for actual crimes committed is Manafort and Gates, the rest are for lying and we can't even find out WHAT they supposedly lied about. You know if you are asked what did you have for breakfast and you say eggs and bacon but didn't mention that it was on a sandwich with cheese that is considered a lie.
 
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[QUOTE="hog88, post: 16112124, member: 18434"

You're stretching the facts just a bit claiming staffers lied saying they didn't know anything about Russia, hell even the FBI agent that interviewed Flynn didn't think he lied or that his statements warranted prosecution. The only people The Muell have prosecuted for actual crimes committed is Manafort and Gates, the rest are for lying and we can't even find out WHAT they supposedly lied about. You know if you are asked what did you have for breakfast and you say eggs and bacon but didn't mention that it was on a sandwich with cheese that is considered a lie.[/QUOTE]

Talk about stretching the facts.

Mueller (The Muell as you evidently enjoy calling him) has been nothing but professional. The contrast between him and Trump is staggering.
 
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luthervol said:
[QUOTE="hog88, post: 16112124, member: 18434"

You're stretching the facts just a bit claiming staffers lied saying they didn't know anything about Russia, hell even the FBI agent that interviewed Flynn didn't think he lied or that his statements warranted prosecution. The only people The Muell have prosecuted for actual crimes committed is Manafort and Gates, the rest are for lying and we can't even find out WHAT they supposedly lied about. You know if you are asked what did you have for breakfast and you say eggs and bacon but didn't mention that it was on a sandwich with cheese that is considered a lie.
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Talk about stretching the facts.

Mueller (The Muell as you evidently enjoy calling him) has been nothing but professional. The contrast between him and Trump is staggering.[/QUOTE]

Leaking and destroying otherwise law abiding people's lives because they have no dirt to give you is not acting professional.

Well maybe it is, he is a lawyer.
 
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hog88 said:
Talk about stretching the facts.

Mueller (The Muell as you evidently enjoy calling him) has been nothing but professional. The contrast between him and Trump is staggering.
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Leaking and destroying otherwise law abiding people's lives because they have no dirt to give you is not acting professional.

Well maybe it is, he is a lawyer.[/QUOTE]

"Otherwise law abiding?" Are you invoking the freebie rule?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Leaking and destroying otherwise law abiding people's lives because they have no dirt to give you is not acting professional.

Well maybe it is, he is a lawyer.
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"Otherwise law abiding?" Are you invoking the freebie rule?[/QUOTE]

What crime was Flynn ever even accused of other than lying to an FBI agent?
 
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hog88 said:
"Otherwise law abiding?" Are you invoking the freebie rule?
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What crime was Flynn ever even accused of other than lying to an FBI agent?[/QUOTE]

We’ve come full circle to my bitch fest about Clinton getting off easy devaluing the significance of lying during a federal investigation.

Plead the fifth or tell the truth. It’s not rocket science.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Are you suggesting a rule in which everyone gets one free felony?
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Stop twisting, I'm not even implying such a thing. These people lied and they will be punished, but as I said previously, we don't and probably never will know what the lie(s) were. Simple omissions or actively trying to deceive?

My guess is no charges would have been filed against Flynn and Pop had this been any other investigation.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
We’ve come full circle to my bitch fest about Clinton getting off easy devaluing the significance of lying during a federal investigation.

Plead the fifth or tell the truth. It’s not rocket science.
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Agree with you there, even better. Never even utter a word to a federal agent/prosecutor.
 
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hog88 said:
Stop twisting, I'm not even implying such a thing. These people lied and they will be punished, but as I said previously, we don't and probably never will know what the lie(s) were. Simple omissions or actively trying to deceive?

My guess is no charges would have been filed against Flynn and Pop had this been any other investigation.
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Certainly, we'll know what the lies are. Look at the court records.
 
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Lol this is gonna be great. The house intel committee will refer a bunch of Trump supporters and Repubs to DOJ for prosectution and the senate intel committee will refer a bunch of Dims to the DOJ.

This is gonna be must see TV on a higher order than the Kavanaugh hearing debacle! 😂
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Certainly, we'll know what the lies are. Look at the court records.
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I've tried to find out what the specific lie(s) were with no luck, of course I might not know how to look. All I've been able to find are articles that say "x lied about a meeting" vague stuff.
 
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