Truth - Lady Vols Looked Pathetic Tonight

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FrozenLVFan said:
Clearly most of tonight's problems were mental, because we're capable of playing much better. I would guess the flat, nearly disinterested play was partly because this was the night before a holiday and the players' minds were elsewhere. I'm not sure why anyone thought this was a good night to schedule a game
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The flat, disinterested play is because of piss poor coaching plain and simple. It happens over and over and over with Holly Warlick coached teams.
 
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FrozenLVFan said:
Clearly most of tonight's problems were mental, because we're capable of playing much better. I would guess the flat, nearly disinterested play was partly because this was the night before a holiday and the players' minds were elsewhere. I'm not sure why anyone thought this was a good night to schedule a game
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It's Thanksgiving tomorrow for UTC also, but they no problem focusing on the task at hand.

Holly needs to put the right players on the court together, and didn't do that tonight. Even without Izzy, they should have won by 20 with the talent on this team.
 
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volmania8 said:
Our half court offense is terrible because it takes good coaching to be successful in the half court game. Why do you think Coach Foster planned to slow the game down? He knew he could out coach Holly in a half court game and possibly come away with a win. And he was right.
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You need players that can score to win in a half court setting. When 3 of your starting five couldn't throw a golf ball in the ocean, you're going to struggle on offense. When you choose to bench two of your most efficient scorers in favor of two players that are defensive specialists (but only against RPI 100+ teams) and devoid of any semblance of shot making ability, your offense will struggle.

Holly wasn't responsible for Bash missing repeated point blank layups, but she should have put the freshmen in the game more than she did. It's not like the upperclassmen were doing anything on either side of the ball, so what did she have to lose?
 
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No surprise. Now maybe folks will realize why Holly remained an assistant coach all those years. Embarrassing!
 
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:hi:Let us be honest Trunover Massengale is not a very good guard. Last year when she had to stop playing, the guard play got better. Holly is hell bent on playing upper class players because she thinks it brings leadership. Leadership starts with the head coach and it does not appear that Holly can lead a starving person to McDonalds for a burger and fries.

In the allstar games Nared outplayed Asia Wilson but we have her on the bench because she is a freshman. Asia is heavy in South Carolina's plans. What is going to happen when Russell and freshman of the year Diamond D. Are available next year? What excuses will Holly have? The butler did it!!!!! The butler may be a better coach. Can you believe Tennessee is paying Holly $800,000 a year?

We saw tonight what a good coach with two, one and no stars can do against a clueless coach with a tone of 5 stars. What a waste of talent, Holly has to get better or hit the road.
 
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FrozenLVFan said:
Clearly most of tonight's problems were mental, because we're capable of playing much better. I would guess the flat, nearly disinterested play was partly because this was the night before a holiday and the players' minds were elsewhere. I'm not sure why anyone thought this was a good night to schedule a game
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I guess that's your story and you are sticking to it ? Which is a pathetic excuse. It shouldn't matter if it was Holly Warlick suck day tomorrow. Not on Lady Vols worst day should a team like UTC beats them. Its all about who is coaching them. She is a fraud of a coach.
 
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The Lady Vols had the ball with less than a minute to play and only down 2 points. Why in the world would you have the worst shooter on the team, J. Jones, take the possible tying shot? Why weren't the best shooters on the floor?
 
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And have a happy Thanksgiving!


GBO!!!
 
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I haven't watched the game yet but from glancing at the box score, these observations jump off the page to me:

1) Our statistical "best" player and leading scorer this early in the season so far only played 11 minutes
2) NO starter scored double figures
3) Our leading scorer in this game has had offensive problems in terms of both shooting % and turning the ball over in the past
4) The opposition only had 2 players in score double digits, but one player put up 27
5) Jordan had been getting a ton of assists and only had 1 tonight
6) As a team, we only had 9 assists - 4 players had 0, only 1 player had more than 2
7) The team had an average # of turnovers but Graves 5 didn't do us any favors
8) The team took just 6 three point shots yet they blocked 7 of our shots
9) We didn't shoot the ball particularly well and our opponent did
 
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Amb3096 said:
You need players that can score to win in a half court setting. When 3 of your starting five couldn't throw a golf ball in the ocean, you're going to struggle on offense. When you choose to bench two of your most efficient scorers in favor of two players that are defensive specialists (but only against RPI 100+ teams) and devoid of any semblance of shot making ability, your offense will struggle.

Holly wasn't responsible for Bash missing repeated point blank layups, but she should have put the freshmen in the game more than she did. It's not like the upperclassmen were doing anything on either side of the ball, so what did she have to lose?
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Obviously Holly has trouble evaluating talent since most of these players were HS All Americans and they still can't hit the broad side of a barn. We haven't had a good shooter in years.
 
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Wow! Have anyone read the article on ESPN? No one is scared of Tennessee anymore and the respect is gone! The young lady stated, Coach told us Tennessee is an average team and we can beat them! That hurts! I know some are saying relax, but this can be a make or break season for Tennessee concerning the future.
 
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Point guard was a very weak link in this game. Reynolds and Carter wouldn't drive and dish and AMass will but she almost always gets stripped of the ball and falls down. They should have played Middleton more on the point and gave Dunbar a shot to see if she was hot. No ball movement to try and get open looks. It seems like Burdick gets worse every year she is here. The defense would let Red drive the ball on them and they would collapse on her even though it was obvious she wasn't going to shoot and she would dish to the person they left. Same problem as last year. It's like groundhog day on defense. Same thing over and over.
 
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I don't think we have to worry about Hart getting rid of the Lady Vol brand in basketball. Looks like the team is taking care of that themselves.
 
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Two players that I believe can make a difference Moore and Middleton got 11 minutes a piece tonight. Two players that I believe will never make a difference Graves and Burdick played 57 minutes.
 
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Harrison better get better damn quick and Tucker too. Graves & Burdick need to sit the pine.
 
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Holly never took a timeout and lighted them up. She should have took one three minutes into the game. I know Pat would have lit them up like a Christmas tree the way they started the game. Holly just lets the same people play and get further and further behind. Hard to come back from 16 down when you sleep walk like we did in that first half. I certainly miss Pat she was one of a kind she didn't allow no sloppy play like we saw last night.
 
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volmania8 said:
Our half court offense is terrible because it takes good coaching to be successful in the half court game. Why do you think Coach Foster planned to slow the game down? He knew he could out coach Holly in a half court game and possibly come away with a win. And he was right.
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LOL. Spoken like someone who is completely clueless about coaching. Maybe, just maybe you slow the game down when you are the under dog, and take depth out of the equation.

If Foster is coaching the Vols, this thread wouldn't even exist.
 
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Coaches earn their money by developing players and by assessing their personnel--who should play, at what position, for how many minutes. Warlick and her staff have to figure out what the best starting five is, who are the first three players off the bench--and then work to build chemistry and cohesion.

My bet is that Holly would start:

Massengale at Pg (1)--veteran point guard, good handle, best perimeter shooter we have, mediocre defender
Carter at 2 guard: excellent athlete, best perimeter defender, bit of an inconsistent shot
Jones at 3: excellent athlete, decent shot, with Carter one of the two best man defenders on the team. Too many turnovers last year but had a good game last night and said to be improved.
Graves at 4: good rebounder, good athlete; not sure of her 1v1 defensive skills--decent, maybe; not good with the ball--weak to mediocre passer and few offensive skills; bit of a liability on offense
Harrison at 5: more of a power forward than a center, but she plays center. Nice all around game, good intensity, but doesn't match up well with big, physical centers.

I'm sure we'll see Reynolds and Middleton spell the starting guards, Moore sub in for Harrison, and Nared play in the 3/4 spot.

I would reduce Burdick's minutes. Good intensity; has a pretty good spot-up shot--but doesn't seem to have a natural position at which she can excel. I'm not sure I'd be playing her much.

Massengale has to play well and play tough for this team to be good. She was BAD last night. In 31 minutes, she was 4-13 from the floor with 2 assists (1 turnover). That's a terrible performance from your senior point guard. We will not beat anybody good with that kind of play from her. You are a PG: if your shot is not falling, then create good shots for the other players.

Warlick has got to do a better job of handling players. Why did Moore play only 11 minutes last night? Warlick made a comment after the game about Moore losing her head early in the game after missing a layup and then playing badly. Fine, take her out for a spell--but you don't leave the team's best player in the first four games on the bench for the rest of the game! She didn't play well, or much; Graves wasn't good--5 turnovers; Massengale was horrid; and not enough good passing/assists--only 9 for the game. That, and letting another player go off on us, adds up to loss.
 
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armchair said:
Coaches earn their money by developing players and by assessing their personnel--who should play, at what position, for how many minutes. Warlick and her staff have to figure out what the best starting five is, who are the first three players off the bench--and then work to build chemistry and cohesion.

My bet is that Holly would start:

Massengale at Pg (1)--veteran point guard, good handle, best perimeter shooter we have, mediocre defender
Carter at 2 guard: excellent athlete, best perimeter defender, bit of an inconsistent shot
Jones at 3: excellent athlete, decent shot, with Carter one of the two best man defenders on the team. Too many turnovers last year but had a good game last night and said to be improved.
Graves at 4: good rebounder, good athlete; not sure of her 1v1 defensive skills--decent, maybe; not good with the ball--weak to mediocre passer and few offensive skills; bit of a liability on offense
Harrison at 5: more of a power forward than a center, but she plays center. Nice all around game, good intensity, but doesn't match up well with big, physical centers.

I'm sure we'll see Reynolds and Middleton spell the starting guards, Moore sub in for Harrison, and Nared play in the 3/4 spot.

I would reduce Burdick's minutes. Good intensity; has a pretty good spot-up shot--but doesn't seem to have a natural position at which she can excel. I'm not sure I'd be playing her much.

Massengale has to play well and play tough for this team to be good. She was BAD last night. In 31 minutes, she was 4-13 from the floor with 2 assists (1 turnover). That's a terrible performance from your senior point guard. We will not beat anybody good with that kind of play from her. You are a PG: if your shot is not falling, then create good shots for the other players.

Warlick has got to do a better job of handling players. Why did Moore play only 11 minutes last night? Warlick made a comment after the game about Moore losing her head early in the game after missing a layup and then playing badly. Fine, take her out for a spell--but you don't leave the team's best player in the first four games on the bench for the rest of the game! She didn't play well, or much; Graves wasn't good--5 turnovers; Massengale was horrid; and not enough good passing/assists--only 9 for the game. That, and letting another player go off on us, adds up to loss.
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I would tell Holly that Burdick never had a head to lose most overrated player to ever play at Tennessee. I see no purpose of her getting 22 minutes to score 4 points and haul in two rebounds. Lose her head or not Moore had 6 points and 4 rebounds in 11 minutes. Another big coaching goof by Holly Warlick. 35 minute for Graves why? 7 points that is a point every five minutes. Holly can't coach that is where we are.
 
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matrosscbc said:
LOL. Spoken like someone who is completely clueless about coaching. Maybe, just maybe you slow the game down when you are the under dog, and take depth out of the equation.

If Foster is coaching the Vols, this thread wouldn't even exist.
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Actually spoken by someone who has coached high school basketball, volleyball, and track and field. Also spoken by someone who realizes that they does not know everything there is to know about basketball. However, I do know that in any sport you try to exploit your opponents weaknesses. And like it or not, the Lady Vols have a glaring weakness in the coaching department. Look at any game they have played under CHW where they were forced into a halfcourt game where they couldn't just out-talent and win on superior athleticism alone. The result is almost always the same. A good coach with decent talent will be able to strategize and beat a bad coach with superior talent on many occasions. Not always, but it does happen. You are right in the fact that he wanted to slow the game down, but I think he knew if they could keep it close then they had a chance to win because he could outcoach Holly on any given day.

You are right on your last comment however. If Coach Foster had been coaching the Lady Vols this thread would never exist because UT would have probably won by 20 points. 30 if Holly had coached UTC.
 
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