Tulsi Gabbard added to Terrorist list

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No, it is not THE no-fly list. It is A fly list though.

And what we do know is that TSA has stated that individuals on THIS list have been upgraded to THE list in the past - so not A list one would likely want to be on (jmo).

Sure, I guess it’s possible DHS could have placed her on this list for her own protection (threats made against her). Though I personally don’t find that very plausible.

If you find it equally plausible that some government boob placed her on THIS list, or she earned her place on this list, that’s obviously your prerogative.

You ever seen those infomercials where they tell you the pans are super ultra nonstick because they’re made out of copper alloy that’s been microscopically forged into hexagons and for just 7 easy payments of $79.99 you can enjoy the easy-to-clean, non-stick properties of copper alloy in your own home?

If you think about it, it makes no ****ing sense because nobody at home has any idea whether microscopic hexagons or copper alloy makes something nonstick. Why is that part of the ad copy?

The Billy Mays (RIP) secret is that it’s not aimed at people who think about it. It’s for people who buy in to the excited voices, the buzzwords, and the white suit. It’s for those who will talk themselves out of their buyer’s remorse with reminders that people who used these pans have been selected for upgrades to microscopic octagon pans in the past.

Without anything of substance to know how microscopic hexagon copper alloy makes a pan superior, most rational thinking people wouldn’t think they had enough information to decide that one is likely better than the other.
 
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I disagree that that is “what we do know.” This is not THE no-fly list, obviously, because it’s not A no-fly list. So the criteria are probably less than “a threat to US skies” because if they had evidence of that, they’d put you on THE no-fly list.

Given that, the criteria could be nearly anything. It could be based on some information TSA was passed by outside agencies, like threats against Tulsi Gabbard. It could be auto generated, based on certain travel destinations. More likely, because government, and because it’s not THE no-fly list, it’s probably a number of factors that are actually really terrible at picking targets.

And neither seems more or less plausible.

If you’ve got an axe to grind with somebody, you don’t put them on a non-invasive list that they wouldn’t even know they were on unless it leaks and hurts you. I guess it’s plausible some nobody civil service flunky with bad judgment did it, like the doctored Trump campaign email, but that doesn’t support the narrative that she’s using it to push.

I have no basis to believe she is or is or is not a threat to US skies meets the criteria for being placed on this list, whatever that criteria is. Your list of reasons to trust her didn’t move the needle for me, given the recent examples of Bob Menendez, George Santos(?), and many others.

What I do have a basis for is that right wing media routinely pulls **** like this where they say “omg Tulsi Gabbard is now on a no-fly list” and then it turns out that actually she just flew to Syria or something and got temporarily auto-populated to the list.


Very well written. This is emblematic of the MAGA blogosphere "they're out to get us!" nonsense that plays directly to the resentment class that makes up such a large part of Trump's base.
 
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You ever seen those infomercials where they tell you the pans are super ultra nonstick because they’re made out of copper alloy that’s been microscopically forged into hexagons and for just 7 easy payments of $79.99 you can enjoy the easy-to-clean, non-stick properties of copper alloy in your own home?

If you think about it, it makes no ****ing sense because nobody at home has any idea whether microscopic hexagons or copper alloy makes something nonstick. Why is that part of the ad copy?

The Billy Mays (RIP) secret is that it’s not aimed at people who think about it. It’s for people who buy in to the excited voices, the buzzwords, and the white suit. It’s for those who will talk themselves out of their buyer’s remorse with reminders that people who used these pans have been selected for upgrades to microscopic octagon pans in the past.

Without anything of substance to know how microscopic hexagon copper alloy makes a pan superior, most rational thinking people wouldn’t think they had enough information to decide that one is likely better than the other.
I like my copper pans...and it was only 5 payments
 
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You ever seen those infomercials where they tell you the pans are super ultra nonstick because they’re made out of copper alloy that’s been microscopically forged into hexagons and for just 7 easy payments of $79.99 you can enjoy the easy-to-clean, non-stick properties of copper alloy in your own home?

If you think about it, it makes no ****ing sense because nobody at home has any idea whether microscopic hexagons or copper alloy makes something nonstick. Why is that part of the ad copy?

The Billy Mays (RIP) secret is that it’s not aimed at people who think about it. It’s for people who buy in to the excited voices, the buzzwords, and the white suit. It’s for those who will talk themselves out of their buyer’s remorse with reminders that people who used these pans have been selected for upgrades to microscopic octagon pans in the past.

Without anything of substance to know how microscopic hexagon copper alloy makes a pan superior, most rational thinking people wouldn’t think they had enough information to decide that one is likely better than the other.
You’ve been on quite a tear the last few days.
 
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JULY 30, 2018

The existence of the program was first reported Saturday by the The Boston Globe,citing an internal TSA bulletin from March as well as anonymous sources within the department. The document leaked to the Globe says the program specifically targets travelers who are not on terrorist watch lists and are not under investigation by any agency.

Spokeswoman Michelle Negron said the program "doesn't take into account race and religion, and it is not intended to surveil ordinary Americans."

The program is routinely reviewed by "legal, privacy and civil rights and liberties offices," she said.

The program began in 2010, with a new iteration in 2012 and a new "concept of operations" in March of this year, Michael Bilello, assistant administrator of public affairs for TSA, tells NPR. The document leaked to the Globe was connected to the March update.

Under the program, the Globe reports, "thousands of unsuspecting Americans have been subjected to targeted airport and inflight surveillance, carried out by small teams of armed, undercover air marshals."

The air marshals observe the targets and keep notes, the Globe reports — documenting whether they change clothes or shave while traveling, abruptly change direction while moving through the airport, sweat, tremble or blink rapidly during the flight, use their phones, talk to other travelers or use the bathroom, among many other behaviors.

So ... federal air marshals that are observing an individual we're concerned about, based on travel patterns and other information ... of course they're watching their behavior. They're trying to determine, is this person going to take any action on a plane?"

Bilello confirmed that passengers do not need to be on terror watch lists, or suspected of any crime, to be monitored.

The first red flag is foreign travel — specifically, frequent visits to "countries that we know have a high incidence of adversarial actions," as Bilello put it.

After analyzing travel patterns, the TSA pulls intelligence from a number of sources — state and local law enforcement, federal agencies and international partners — before deciding to assign an air marshal. The program is designed to ignore people clearly traveling for business or to visit family, and focus on potential threats, Bilello said.

The TSA would not provide details on the precise criteria required to flag a passenger for the program. Documents provided to the Globe suggest that reservations using the phone numbers or email addresses of watch-listed individuals are a consideration. According to DHS documents, Customs and Border Protection uses biographical data and outstanding warrants to conduct traveler risk assessments, and also has access to FBI facial recognition software.

The Globe reports that a flight attendant and a federal law enforcement officer are among those who have been flagged for surveillance under the program, to the frustration of air marshals who felt they were wasting their time.

Dozens of people are followed and observed each day, the newspaper says. According to the leaked memo, passengers in the Quiet Skies program remain on the list to be monitored for up to 90 days or 3 observed trips, whichever comes first.


But some air marshals, in interviews and internal communications shared with the Globe, say the program has them tasked with shadowing travelers who appear to pose no real threat — a businesswoman who happened to have traveled through a Mideast hot spot, in one case; a Southwest Airlines flight attendant, in another; a fellow federal law enforcement officer, in a third.

“What we are doing [in Quiet Skies] is troubling and raising some serious questions as to the validity and legality of what we are doing and how we are doing it,” one air marshal wrote in a text message to colleagues.

Agency documents show there are about 40 to 50 Quiet Skies passengers on domestic flights each day. On average, air marshals follow and surveil about 35 of them.

In late May, an air marshal complained to colleagues about having just surveilled a working Southwest Airlines flight attendant as part of a Quiet Skies mission. “Cannot make this up,” the air marshal wrote in a message.

One colleague replied: “jeez we need to have an easy way to document this nonsense. Congress needs to know that it’s gone from bad to worse.”

Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor chosen by President Obama in 2013 to help review foreign intelligence surveillance programs, said the program could pass legal muster if the selection criteria are sufficiently broad. But if the program targets by nationality or race, it could violate equal protection rights, Stone said.

Several air marshals, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly, told the Globe the program wastes taxpayer dollars and makes the country less safe because attention and resources are diverted away from legitimate, potential threats. The US Federal Air Marshal Service, which is part of TSA and falls under the Department of Homeland Security, has a mandate to protect airline passengers and crew against the risk of criminal and terrorist violence.

John Casaretti, president of the Air Marshal Association, said in a statement: “The Air Marshal Association believes that missions based on recognized intelligence, or in support of ongoing federal investigations, is the proper criteria for flight scheduling. Currently the Quiet Skies program does not meet the criteria we find acceptable.

Hice’s bill, the “Strengthening Aviation Security Act of 2017,” passed the House and is awaiting consideration by the full Senate. (Was never voted on? https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3144)

A bulletin in May notes that travelers entering the United States may be added to the Quiet Skies watch list if their “international travel patters [sic] or behaviors match the travel routing and tradecraft of known or suspected terrorists” or “are possibly affiliated with Watch Listed suspects.”

According to a TSA bulletin, the program may target people who have spent a certain amount of time in one or more specific countries or whose reservation information includes e-mail addresses or phone numbers associated to suspects on a terrorism watch list.

The bulletin does not list the specific countries, but air marshals have been advised in several instances to follow passengers because of past travel to Turkey, according to people with direct knowledge of the program.

One air marshal described an assignment to conduct a Quiet Skies mission on a young executive from a major company.

“Her crime apparently was she flew to Turkey in the past,” the air marshal said, noting that many international companies have executives travel through Turkey.
 
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👆 pulled out seemingly significant info from two articles. They are not full c/p of the articles.
 
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JULY 30, 2018

The existence of the program was first reported Saturday by the The Boston Globe,citing an internal TSA bulletin from March as well as anonymous sources within the department. The document leaked to the Globe says the program specifically targets travelers who are not on terrorist watch lists and are not under investigation by any agency.

Spokeswoman Michelle Negron said the program "doesn't take into account race and religion, and it is not intended to surveil ordinary Americans."

The program is routinely reviewed by "legal, privacy and civil rights and liberties offices," she said.

The program began in 2010, with a new iteration in 2012 and a new "concept of operations" in March of this year, Michael Bilello, assistant administrator of public affairs for TSA, tells NPR. The document leaked to the Globe was connected to the March update.

Under the program, the Globe reports, "thousands of unsuspecting Americans have been subjected to targeted airport and inflight surveillance, carried out by small teams of armed, undercover air marshals."

The air marshals observe the targets and keep notes, the Globe reports — documenting whether they change clothes or shave while traveling, abruptly change direction while moving through the airport, sweat, tremble or blink rapidly during the flight, use their phones, talk to other travelers or use the bathroom, among many other behaviors.

So ... federal air marshals that are observing an individual we're concerned about, based on travel patterns and other information ... of course they're watching their behavior. They're trying to determine, is this person going to take any action on a plane?"

Bilello confirmed that passengers do not need to be on terror watch lists, or suspected of any crime, to be monitored.

The first red flag is foreign travel — specifically, frequent visits to "countries that we know have a high incidence of adversarial actions," as Bilello put it.

After analyzing travel patterns, the TSA pulls intelligence from a number of sources — state and local law enforcement, federal agencies and international partners — before deciding to assign an air marshal. The program is designed to ignore people clearly traveling for business or to visit family, and focus on potential threats, Bilello said.

The TSA would not provide details on the precise criteria required to flag a passenger for the program. Documents provided to the Globe suggest that reservations using the phone numbers or email addresses of watch-listed individuals are a consideration. According to DHS documents, Customs and Border Protection uses biographical data and outstanding warrants to conduct traveler risk assessments, and also has access to FBI facial recognition software.

The Globe reports that a flight attendant and a federal law enforcement officer are among those who have been flagged for surveillance under the program, to the frustration of air marshals who felt they were wasting their time.

Dozens of people are followed and observed each day, the newspaper says. According to the leaked memo, passengers in the Quiet Skies program remain on the list to be monitored for up to 90 days or 3 observed trips, whichever comes first.


But some air marshals, in interviews and internal communications shared with the Globe, say the program has them tasked with shadowing travelers who appear to pose no real threat — a businesswoman who happened to have traveled through a Mideast hot spot, in one case; a Southwest Airlines flight attendant, in another; a fellow federal law enforcement officer, in a third.

“What we are doing [in Quiet Skies] is troubling and raising some serious questions as to the validity and legality of what we are doing and how we are doing it,” one air marshal wrote in a text message to colleagues.

Agency documents show there are about 40 to 50 Quiet Skies passengers on domestic flights each day. On average, air marshals follow and surveil about 35 of them.

In late May, an air marshal complained to colleagues about having just surveilled a working Southwest Airlines flight attendant as part of a Quiet Skies mission. “Cannot make this up,” the air marshal wrote in a message.

One colleague replied: “jeez we need to have an easy way to document this nonsense. Congress needs to know that it’s gone from bad to worse.”

Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor chosen by President Obama in 2013 to help review foreign intelligence surveillance programs, said the program could pass legal muster if the selection criteria are sufficiently broad. But if the program targets by nationality or race, it could violate equal protection rights, Stone said.

Several air marshals, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly, told the Globe the program wastes taxpayer dollars and makes the country less safe because attention and resources are diverted away from legitimate, potential threats. The US Federal Air Marshal Service, which is part of TSA and falls under the Department of Homeland Security, has a mandate to protect airline passengers and crew against the risk of criminal and terrorist violence.

John Casaretti, president of the Air Marshal Association, said in a statement: “The Air Marshal Association believes that missions based on recognized intelligence, or in support of ongoing federal investigations, is the proper criteria for flight scheduling. Currently the Quiet Skies program does not meet the criteria we find acceptable.

Hice’s bill, the “Strengthening Aviation Security Act of 2017,” passed the House and is awaiting consideration by the full Senate. (Was never voted on? https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3144)

A bulletin in May notes that travelers entering the United States may be added to the Quiet Skies watch list if their “international travel patters [sic] or behaviors match the travel routing and tradecraft of known or suspected terrorists” or “are possibly affiliated with Watch Listed suspects.”

According to a TSA bulletin, the program may target people who have spent a certain amount of time in one or more specific countries or whose reservation information includes e-mail addresses or phone numbers associated to suspects on a terrorism watch list.

The bulletin does not list the specific countries, but air marshals have been advised in several instances to follow passengers because of past travel to Turkey, according to people with direct knowledge of the program.

One air marshal described an assignment to conduct a Quiet Skies mission on a young executive from a major company.

“Her crime apparently was she flew to Turkey in the past,” the air marshal said, noting that many international companies have executives travel through Turkey.

Doesn't focus on race or religion but political affiliation seems to be A-OK.
 
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You ever seen those infomercials where they tell you the pans are super ultra nonstick because they’re made out of copper alloy that’s been microscopically forged into hexagons and for just 7 easy payments of $79.99 you can enjoy the easy-to-clean, non-stick properties of copper alloy in your own home?

If you think about it, it makes no ****ing sense because nobody at home has any idea whether microscopic hexagons or copper alloy makes something nonstick. Why is that part of the ad copy?

The Billy Mays (RIP) secret is that it’s not aimed at people who think about it. It’s for people who buy in to the excited voices, the buzzwords, and the white suit. It’s for those who will talk themselves out of their buyer’s remorse with reminders that people who used these pans have been selected for upgrades to microscopic octagon pans in the past.

Without anything of substance to know how microscopic hexagon copper alloy makes a pan superior, most rational thinking people wouldn’t think they had enough information to decide that one is likely better than the other.

Say what you want but Gordon Ramsey's pan set is totally worth it. I've worked in kitchens and it is the only residential targeted product that I think would hold up in a commercial line.
 
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No, it is not THE no-fly list. It is A fly list though.

And what we do know is that TSA has stated that individuals on THIS list have been upgraded to THE list in the past - so not A list one would likely want to be on (jmo).

Sure, I guess it’s possible DHS could have placed her on this list for her own protection (threats made against her). Though I personally don’t find that very plausible.

If you find it equally plausible that some government boob placed her on THIS list, or she earned her place on this list, that’s obviously your prerogative.
Who's on first?
 
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Abolish the TSA, DHS, prosecute all who supported the Patriot Act for treason, force a rewrite of the ndaa, etc. Constitution stuff

Once again we're seeing well intended W ideas being contorted against the ordinary citizens of this country by bad individuals and turn out to be awful ideas in hindsight.
 
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Well, we are a banana republic now so it doesn't surprise me, but even then it is still disturbing. Makes me wonder how many other normal American citizens have been spied on and are on that list because of their political beliefs.

It almost appears to be blatant government intimidation tactics. An insider informed Tulsi that she was placed on the list a day after she had an interview where she said Kamala would be bad for the country. That isn't news so why would they use this stalinist tactic?
 
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Very well written. This is emblematic of the MAGA blogosphere "they're out to get us!" nonsense that plays directly to the resentment class that makes up such a large part of Trump's base.
Per President Biden

“Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic."


In remarks on August 30, 2022: "MAGA Republicans are determined to take this country backwards—backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception."

Per President Obama:
They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them." -

"The problem is that the Republican Party has become a party of no. They don't want to do anything to help the American people."

The left loves to pretend they are the party of civility and unity. They are anything but. And you are just like them which is why you could never be a true “independent”. When black or brown people voice their disgust with the government, you tend to respond in an empathetic manner. When it’s white rural voters, you mock them and accuse them of just being resentful.

Just stay on the left LG, deep down that’s what you are.
 
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Per President Biden

“Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic."


In remarks on August 30, 2022: "MAGA Republicans are determined to take this country backwards—backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception."

Per President Obama:
They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them." -

"The problem is that the Republican Party has become a party of no. They don't want to do anything to help the American people."

The left loves to pretend they are the party of civility and unity. They are anything but. And you are just like them which is why you could never be a true “independent”. When black or brown people voice their disgust with the government, you tend to respond in an empathetic manner. When it’s white rural voters, you mock them and accuse them of just being resentful.

Just stay on the left LG, deep down that’s what you are.


All of their comments are correct and accurate.
 

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