'20 TX QB Haynes King (TAMU Commit)

[SSVol]

Oline was absolutely terrible by almost every statistical measure and by just the eye test. Idk how anyone can say they weren’t bad. Statistically one of the worst run blocking units in the country not just the conference. Pass protection was pretty abysmal as well

Hard to be effective when you are weak and light. I'd say 40 pounds each ought to balance it out a bit. They will be considerably better this year.

 

[KBVol]

I should've worded it differently. They were terrible at run blocking. No doubt. I was talking in terms of pass protection. They were not as bad as they are made out to be. If they provided 3 seconds against Alabama then it's only logical to assume they did in most cases all season. Although even in run blocking I have to somewhat come to their defense. When teams are stacking the box due to your heavy run, short pass approach its hard to blame 5 guys for not blocking 8. And that wont change until we start attacking all 3 levels of the field with success. Once a team shows they can effectively attack the 2nd and 3rd levels you wouldn't believe the difference it makes in an o line.

We were in max protect all year long. It’s the biggest reason by our TEs weren’t involved in the offense all year. Our running backs were staying in a lot as well and our QB was still getting smashed early and often....see the Missouri game. The first offensive play of the year vs WVa was a foreshadowing of what was to come all year long.

There’s a reason why the OL was the only position group that Pruitt publicly called out after Spring Practice. They were historically bad last year and looked to be on that same track this Spring.

 

[KBVol]

Hard to be effective when you are weak and light. I'd say 40 pounds each ought to balance it out a bit. They will be considerably better this year.

Our OL averaged about 305lbs per man last year, not sure getting our guys to average 345lbs is the answer. Agree that we were weaker than we needed to be, but our technique, attitude, toughness and mental acumen were atrocious and more the problem(s) than anything else imo.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

3500 yards for his whole high school career is not impressive.....

Haynes King's High School Football Stats

If you don’t think his career stats aren’t impressive then get a CT scan ASAP

 

[1vol8]

You should really get out of that room. They were historically rotten. Go watch the Charlotte game if you need your memory jogged.

Ok. Charlotte it is. I'll get back to you with the results. I haven't looked at that one again. Hard to watch. And I'll be honest with what I see. I have no agenda to prove any points about anything.

 

[1vol8]

We were in max protect all year long. It’s the biggest reason by our TEs weren’t involved in the offense all year. Our running backs were staying in a lot as well and our QB was still getting smashed early and often....see the Missouri game. The first offensive play of the year vs WVa was a foreshadowing of what was to come all year long.

There’s a reason why the OL was the only position group that Pruitt publicly called out after Spring Practice. They were historically bad last year and looked to be on that same track this Spring.

I think you are taking what I said and getting carried away. Im not at all saying they were good. What I am saying is idk how bad they actually were when defenses were stacking the box. Are you suggesting that our front 5 should be able to block the 8 in the box? It can't be done. Until we counter a loaded box with the abilty to take advantage of 1on 1 on all 3 levels the o line will continue to struggle. If we are in max pro that's still 7 blocking 8. That means if everyone does their jobs and hold their block there is still 1 coming free with every gap filled against the run and 1 free to spy or rush JG against the pass.

 

[chargervol]

@1vol8
Please respond to him via the Guarantano thread in the FF.
No offense meant but the same discussion has been taking place for endless months, with no one ever changing their mind.
Let's try to keep this one about King.

 

[1vol8]

@1vol8
Please respond to him via the Guarantano thread in the FF.
No offense meant but the same discussion has been taking place for endless months, with no one ever changing their mind.
Let's try to keep this one about King.

Gotcha. Will do

 

[Orangeredblooded]

@1vol8
Please respond to him via the Guarantano thread in the FF.
No offense meant but the same discussion has been taking place for endless months, with no one ever changing their mind.
Let's try to keep this one about King.

Thank you, I thought I slipped up and went into another JG thread in the FF.

 

[Evergrenevol]

I’m not “granting approval” to the coaches. I’m asking a simple philosophical recruiting question.

It’s been stated that we “need” 2 QBs this cycle. My question is what’s the “need”? If it’s to upgrade the talent we currently have in Shrout and Maurer, which I don’t believe it is but don’t know for sure, then okay, sign em both if you can, they’re both great prospects.
But if it’s about “numbers”, I submit it’s a point in futility. No program is gonna keep 5 scholarship QBs on its roster these days, somebody(ies) gonna transfer and you’re right back to the same numbers you already had.

I believe the coaches surely know what they’re doing, I trust em, just trying to nail down what everybody who advocates signing 2 this class what they think the “need” is.

Multiple reasons to support 2 QBs. It’s definitely to upgrade the position and to strengthen depth. Middle of the pack QB talent doesn’t cut it if you want to have a chance at a division championship. We only have 3 scholarship QBs on the roster, while most SEC schools have at least 4-5. Only 1 of our QBs has any experience, he’s mediocre, and he’s a junior. If King and Bailey come, there’s a high probability that at least 1 of our scholarship QBs currently on the roster will transfer. The coaches know what they’re doing. Getting King and Bailey would be a huge step towards getting us back to where we want to be.

 

[DaddyChad]

I should've worded it differently. They were terrible at run blocking. No doubt. I was talking in terms of pass protection. They were not as bad as they are made out to be. If they provided 3 seconds against Alabama then it's only logical to assume they did in most cases all season. Although even in run blocking I have to somewhat come to their defense. When teams are stacking the box due to your heavy run, short pass approach its hard to blame 5 guys for not blocking 8. And that wont change until we start attacking all 3 levels of the field with success. Once a team shows they can effectively attack the 2nd and 3rd levels you wouldn't believe the difference it makes in an o line.

I don’t want to get into a back and forth about the line and JG. We’ve heard all that. We couldn’t run well. We had to be in max protection a lot as well and still the pocket collapsed pretty quickly. JMO we did nothing well on the line. I’m not saying JG is an all star and I know you weren’t really taking a shot at him; just saying the margin of error for a qb with no Oline is pretty slim.

 

[DaddyChad]

We were in max protect all year long. It’s the biggest reason by our TEs weren’t involved in the offense all year. Our running backs were staying in a lot as well and our QB was still getting smashed early and often....see the Missouri game. The first offensive play of the year vs WVa was a foreshadowing of what was to come all year long.

There’s a reason why the OL was the only position group that Pruitt publicly called out after Spring Practice. They were historically bad last year and looked to be on that same track this Spring.

Or this is probably better than I said it in my post. I think we’ll be bigger, stronger and better prepared but I still don’t know that we won’t have one of the worse Olines in the conference. Chaney should help a lot though as well. Former Oline coach should know how to help out his weakest unit.

 

[1vol8]

I don’t want to get into a back and forth about the line and JG. We’ve heard all that. We couldn’t run well. We had to be in max protection a lot as well and still the pocket collapsed pretty quickly. JMO we did nothing well on the line. I’m not saying JG is an all star and I know you weren’t really taking a shot at him; just saying the margin of error for a qb with no Oline is pretty slim.

You'll never have to worry about an argument from me. Im seriously not into pointing fingers. This team, the coaches and the fans ALL know what needs to improve. My biggest complaint on JG has nothing to do with on the field. I just wish he would step up and tell the media to get off his o lines asses because its a shared failer when a team doesn't succeed.

 

[1vol8]

Or this is probably better than I said it in my post. I think we’ll be bigger, stronger and better prepared but I still don’t know that we won’t have one of the worse Olines in the conference. Chaney should help a lot though as well. Former Oline coach should know how to help out his weakest unit.

Ive been asked by @chargervol to move this conversation to the Garrantano thread on the FF. And he's right. This one is about King

 

[1vol8]

He's almost a 5 star on 247 and barely a 3 star on Rivals. Hah

Too many people (including coaches) get caught up in stars and rankings anyway. It's not important. We have 3 qbs in the qb room this yr and both recruiting services missed on 2 of them.

 

[Devo182]

Im sure we all do. But Im kind of in the "I'm not sure how bad they are" room. I rewatched the Alabama game from last season for example and iirc it was about 40+ min into the game before I didn't get to 3 Mississippi on time provided by the o line. Im not taking a shot at JG. Im only stating a fact that I personally discovered due to people down right demoralizing the entire unit. They are not perfect but they are not bad either

Dead last in FBS (the last 4 years...) in stuff rate. I do think they were better in pass pro last year. But GOD AWFUL in the run game.

 

[1vol8]

Shrout or Maurer

Maurer can compete with these guys easily.

 

[1vol8]

This kids throwing motion is weird. Short arms the ball.

I said the same thing. His mechanics throwing on the run are on point but from the pocket he looks to have flaws.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Ok. Charlotte it is. I'll get back to you with the results. I haven't looked at that one again. Hard to watch. And I'll be honest with what I see. I have no agenda to prove any points about anything.

Go back and watch App state and ETSU. The OL was beyond abysmal in those games as well.

 

[1vol8]

Ok, I had to rewatch his HUDL tape one more time. Maaan he's good. He might be one of the better throwers on the run I've ever seen at HS or even college. And his 69.2% completion percentage tells me those are not fluke highlights either.

And looking at his stats - one other explanation for his previous lower ranking (still lower on Rivals) and his newer 247 ranking is that he JUMPED from a 53 to 69 completion percentage. More than doubled his passing yards. Tripled his rushing yards. Can only imagine what he'll do his senior season. Better get him before he's #1 overall.

You may want to dig a little deeper than just looking at his comp %. He had 5 games under 59% and a couple in the 80-90% range. But he didnt throw a bunch either. About 18 times a game on ave. Not saying he isn't good, i'm only saying hes not as consistent as it would appear if you only looked at his season totals.

 

[Devo182]

Even if they both committed I wouldn't be so sure that it'll be either of them. 247 misses on qbs A LOT more than people realize. We don't have to go far to see what I mean. Just look inside UTs qb room as we speak. Im not taking a shot but JG definitely isn't the top DT qb in his class. Some would even argue weather he should even be a 4* at all. Maybe they got it right with JT. He's a 1 yr hs starter with not very impressive stats. Hard to argue one way or another. With Maurer it's obvious to me. No true 3* qb puts up over 3500 yrds, competes 65% consistently and rushes for another 600, on top of accounting for 40 tds in only 10 games on a bad team. So just in our qb room 247 has missed on 2 of the 3 imo. Needless to say I've stopped putting stock into 247 when it comes to qbs. They are way too hard to evaluate unless you put in the time with each individual one and that's impossible.

Strange goal posts you have set, "JG isn't #1 out of hundreds of spots...ergo a completely wrong eval as a mid 4 star... I guess Bailey and King are as good as 2*s since no one can even get close to ranking QBs and JG is so obviously terrible.

My lord.

 

[Volbucky]

Throws a nice ball. Good touch. Seems decisive and very mobile. Think I read that he's a coaches son so that's another plus. Would be happy to get this one.

That was deep, thanks

 

[Devo182]

You may want to dig a little deeper than just looking at his comp %. He had 5 games under 59% and a couple in the 80-90% range. But he didnt throw a bunch either. About 18 times a game on ave. Not saying he isn't good, i'm only saying hes not as consistent as it would appear if you only looked at his season totals.

Sooo he completed 3,879 yards off of merely 266 attempts? Do you understand how INSANE that is? That is 14.6 YPA!! That would be 3 more YPA than anyone in CFB this year and almost double JG.

As for 59%...you do realize that's not that bad right? It is about the average in college...the fact that he was below that only 5/16 games is great. 69% total. Only 4 college QBs were above that last year...that is crazy good.

 

[1vol8]

Strange goal posts you have set, "JG isn't #1 out of hundreds of spots...ergo a completely wrong eval as a mid 4 star... I guess Bailey and King are as good as 2*s since no one can even get close to ranking QBs and JG is so obviously terrible.

My lord.

You're putting words in my mouth. The point is clear. 247 doesn't have time to truly evaluate every senior hs qb in the nation. So why put so much stock into what they rank qbs? Do you really think they compared/evaluated Bailey and King against one another? They didn't. If you really want to know why King is rated higher then look no farther than his hs record last season. King 16-0 State Champions. Bailey 5-6. There's your answer. It doesn't mean King is better.

And I never said JG was terrible. I never said he was good. I have a neutral opinion so I would appreciate it if you wouldn't put me in any category of that ridiculous "back and forth " that's been going on for quite a while now. Im not getting involved. But Nice try.

 

[Devo182]

You're putting words in my mouth. The point is clear. 247 doesn't have time to truly evaluate every senior hs qb in the nation. So why put so much stock into what they rank qbs? Do you really think they compared/evaluated Bailey and King against one another? They didn't. If you really want to know why King is rated higher then look no farther than his hs record last season. King 16-0 State Champions. Bailey 5-6. There's your answer. It doesn't mean King is better.

And I never said JG was terrible. I never said he was good. I have a neutral opinion so I would appreciate it if you wouldn't put me in any category of that ridiculous "back and forth " that's been going on for quite a while now. Im not getting involved. But Nice try.

Actually he 1) has better stats, 2) they just saw him in camp and liked him a lot.