'22 TX WR Evan Stewart (Oregon)

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GoodTimeVol said:
Elite? If he is elite why does Omar Norman-Lott have better stats than him? Elite DTs are like Jalen Carter or John Henderson…you know guys who can take over a line of scrimmage. He has the potential to be elite but he has yet to show it consistently
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Stats aren’t what make you elite. Yes, Carter was elite. Carter’s last season at Georgia, WN was a freshman and had a better pass rushing grade than Carter.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Stats aren’t what make you elite. Yes, Carter was elite. Carter’s last season at Georgia, WN was a freshman and had a better pass rushing grade than Carter.
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I watched Nolen all year I didn’t see this elite player you are talking about and if we are going off of 5 stars by his name instead of stats then that doesn’t mean he is elite..Jalen literally dominated every game he was in, was he a stat stuffer? No but you saw him every game collapsing the pocket consistently
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
I watched Nolen all year I didn’t see this elite player you are talking about and if we are going off of 5 stars by his name instead of stats then that doesn’t mean he is elite..Jalen literally dominated every game he was in, was he a stat stuffer? No but you saw him every game collapsing the pocket consistently
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You’re the only one talking stats and stars here. I’m glad you watched Nolen play all season (doubt that’s true, but whatever), but I doubt your ability to scout DL.

Everyone but yourself and a few other random people on VN realize this guy is elite
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re the only one talking stats and stars here. I’m glad you watched Nolen play all season (doubt that’s true, but whatever), but I doubt your ability to scout DL.

Everyone but yourself and a few other random people on VN realize this guy is elite
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I doubt your ability to form an argument if just saying he is “elite” is your argument when he has obviously not shown that capability yet… I mean did you watch when we played them this year? We ran for like 200 yards against them… and it’s not like he had bad players around him

Me saying he is “good” is not a knock but I am not going to say he is Jalen Carter or John Henderson “elite” yet..
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
I doubt your ability to form an argument if just saying he is “elite” is your argument when he has obviously not shown that capability yet… I mean did you watch when we played them this year? We ran for like 200 yards against them… and it’s not like he had bad players around him
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My argument is that people who evaluate defensive line performance for a living all tell you he's elite. PFF had him with the highest pass rush win rate in the SEC (above Carter) as a freshman. 247 has him as the highest rated transfer in the country.

Yes, he has show that capability. You don't out perform Jalen Carter without showing elite ability.
 
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Vol8188 said:
My argument is that people who evaluate defensive line performance for a living all tell you he's elite. PFF had him with the highest pass rush win rate in the SEC (above Carter) as a freshman. 247 has him as the highest rated transfer in the country.

Yes, he has show that capability. You don't out perform Jalen Carter without showing elite ability.
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That’s a ridiculous take considering Jalen Carter did not get the same amount of snaps his freshman year and most everybody with football knowledge knows transfer portal ratings are a joke for all services…


One of the best QB’s in the portal is Dillon Gabriel and 247 has him ranked behind Brock vandergriff do I need to say anymore?
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
That’s a ridiculous take considering Jalen Carter did not get the same amount of snaps his freshman year and most everybody with football knowledge knows transfer portal ratings are a joke for all services…
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Number of snaps? No one said he put up more snaps or stats, nor am I comparing his freshman year to Carter's.

Carter's last year in the SEC was Nolen's first. Carter was second in pass rush win rate. Nolen was first. Idk how many times I have to tell you that before you understand it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Number of snaps? No one said he put up more snaps nor am I comparing his freshman year to Carter's.

Carter's last year in the SEC was Nolen's first. Carter was second in pass rush win rate. Nolen was first. Idk how many times I have to tell you that before you understand it.
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The way you worded it was dumb so that’s on you…Dillon Gabriel is one of the best QBs in the portal and they have him ranked 9th behind Brock Vandergriff so you continue to take those ranking as gospel guy.

Also he is a DT last I checked and his team gave up 200 rushing yards to us and they knew it was coming, idgaf about his pass rush win rate lol when he isn’t winning the line of scrimmage consistently

Again he is not elite yet by any measure and finding one metric when there is more to what a DT does on the football field doesn’t prove your argument
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
The way you worded it was dumb so that’s on you…Dillon Gabriel is one of the best QBs in the portal and they have him ranked 9th behind Brock Vandergriff so you continue to take those ranking as gospel guy.

Also he is a DT last I checked and his team gave up 200 rushing yards to us and they knew it was coming, idgaf about his pass rush win rate lol when he isn’t winning the line of scrimmage consistently

Again he is not elite yet by any measure and finding one metric when there is more to what a DT does on the football field doesn’t prove your argument
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Vandagriff above Gabriel is the most hilarious thing ever. Pretty sure I also saw one that had Dante Moore above Gabriel lol
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
The way you worded it was dumb so that’s on you…Dillon Gabriel is one of the best QBs in the portal and they have him ranked 9th behind Brock Vandergriff so you continue to take those ranking as gospel guy.

Also he is a DT last I checked and his team gave up 200 rushing yards to us and they knew it was coming, idgaf about his pass rush win rate lol when he isn’t winning the line of scrimmage consistently

Again he is not elite yet by any measure and finding one metric when there is more to what a DT does on the football field doesn’t prove your argument
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Lol "one player couldn't single handedly stop our running game even though the team overall had one of the best defenses in the country (and rush defenses in the country), so clearly he isn't winning the line of scrimmage and isn't elite"

I'm glad we have high end scouts here like you to set us straight. Thank you.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lol "one player couldn't single handedly stop our running game even though the team overall had one of the best defenses in the country (and rush defenses in the country), so clearly he isn't winning the line of scrimmage and isn't elite"

I'm glad we have high end scouts here like you to set us straight. Thank you.
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I just think our definition of “elite” is different…he is good but im not going to put him in the same sentence as other elite DT’s we were talking about
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
I just think our definition of “elite” is different…he is good but im not going to put him in the same sentence as other elite DT’s we were talking about
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Yes, mine is based on scouts and yours is based on "in one game, his team gave up a lot of yards."
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, mine is based on scouts and yours is based on "in one game, his team gave up a lot of yards."
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What scouts i see a lot hype of what he could be? Is James Pearce elite? I would hope your answer is yes because the difference is every defensive metric you can be measured at for his position is “elite” rather than just one for Nolen.
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
What scouts i see a lot hype of what he could be? Is James Pearce elite? I would hope your answer is yes because the difference is every defensive metric you can be measured at for his position is “elite” rather than just one for Nolen.
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PFF specifically. Jalen Carter was a first round pick because of his ability as a pass rusher. Walter Nolen as a freshman had a better pass rush win rate than Carter during his last season.

That is "elite".
 
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You can be an elite talent and not be as productive as someone else. You’re still an elite talent but someone else fits their scheme better, or has better coaching, or just flat out wants it more.

So all arguments about Nolen can be true at the same time.
 
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Vol8188 said:
PFF specifically. Jalen Carter was a first round pick because of his ability as a pass rusher. Walter Nolen as a freshman had a better pass rush win rate than Carter during his last season.

That is "elite".
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No, Carter was elite at both pass rushing and run defense that is the difference
 
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MarcoVol said:
You can be an elite talent and not be as productive as someone else. You’re still an elite talent but someone else fits their scheme better, or has better coaching, or just flat out wants it more.

So all arguments about Nolen can be true at the same time.
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We’re literally arguing over me calling him good rather than elite…I just don’t put him on the same pedestal as other elite DTs yet.
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
www.pff.com

College Football: Top 25 players in the transfer portal | College Football | PFF

Max Chadwick takes a look at the transfer portal to determine the 25 players who could make a noticeable impact on a new team.
www.pff.com www.pff.com

Take a look at this PFF article they seem to think Walter had 7 sacks on the year when he only had 4… Yeah these are the respected “scouts”
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PFF doesn't do "Half sacks". If you get there at the same time as a teammate you get credited with one sack.

But clearly they just know less football than you and are incapable of evaluating talent.
 
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Vol8188 said:
PFF doesn't do "Half sacks". If you get there at the same time as a teammate you get credited with one sack.

But clearly they just know less football than you and are incapable of evaluating talent.
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Lol that doesn’t seem weird to you at all? Also why do they not throw out his pff grade in the article? Was it not worthy of discussion in their piece? Maybe it was low? Idk just seems like a puff piece when they mention the other players pff grade but only mention the same metric you parroted which is only half of a DT’s job on the field
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
Let’s educate you on some football knowledge…after I post this whatever dispute you have please refrain from saying something like “well ThatS jUst mY oPionion” or some other crap.

Florida DE…below average at best. Florida didn’t want him and there is literal video of him taking plays off
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So glad we have such a well informed scout as yourself. Top 5 in pass rush win rate in the entire nation? Will Anderson level run defense grade?

Clearly he's "below average at best"

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GoodTimeVol said:
Lol that doesn’t seem weird to you at all? Also why do they not throw out his pff grade in the article? Was it not worthy of discussion in their piece? Maybe it was low?
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PFF grades everyone low. If you look at our games a lot of times our best graded guys will be in the 60s or low 70s. Will Anderson was their highest graded run defender among edges and was graded in the 70s

And no, it's not weird to not count 1/2 sacks. It makes more sense when evaluating a player to count everything as 1 sack.
 
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If Stewart is pushing for Tennessee as hard as reports are saying, Coach might reopen the book and let him on the team.
 
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