U.S. Has UFOs of 'Non-Human Origin', Ex-Intelligence Officer Claims

Does the .gov have Alien tech?

  • Yes

    Votes: 41 32.0%

  • No

    Votes: 32 25.0%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 18 14.1%

  • It's Trumps Fault

    Votes: 17 13.3%

  • Yes, but also....Pie

    Votes: 9 7.0%

  • No, but also... Pie

    Votes: 11 8.6%
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Fwiw there are also documentaries on Amazon Prime or Netflix made by Greer. I believe its amazon but I am at work and do not have time to check.
 
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1st picture is zoomed in UFO from video above. 2nd is the type of angel described as a "throne" or "orphanim" angel in the Bible / judeo Christian ideology. By the way....if you watch that UFO in the video i posted above you can very clearly see the big "eyeball" in the center of it MOVE independent of the rest of the thing....in different directions. Its crazy man.
 

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Rogan’s podcast with Eric Weinstein, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bryan Cox and other mathematicians, astrophysicist, etc. are really interesting. They put a lot into perspective. Assuming there are other life forms that visit earth, we have to understand that if they are a million light years away and they could travel at the speed of light, it would take them a million years to get here. That is too slow. So, they clearly have to travel faster than that to traverse galaxies. In other words, bend space, use worm holes or have a type of propulsion that we can’t understand nor imitate. I find the possibilities fascinating.
 
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Skip to 10:36 for the most amazing video. From US government. Watch the craft tracked at ridiculous speed on FLIR....at different levels of zoom. The craft changes its freaking shape altogether after a minute or so, goes back to its original shape....after a while it goes INTO the ocean while still hauling azz! Then it emerges from the ocean STILL at very high speed WITH a 2nd craft that was underwater now flying as its "wingman" (neither has any wings or visible means of propulsion) and the wingman ship has already matched the speed of the 1st UFO in the brief period they were underwater...in order to fly in formation with the 1st ship. This video is as good of evidence for UFOs/interdimensionals/spirits etc as any I have ever seen. WOW.

Edit: if youre on mobile, tap on the video once it starts playing and then push the "youtube " icon in the bottom right of the videos screen to hop over to youtube before you skip to 10:36 so you can see the video much larger and zoom better etc. Turn your phone sideways also...trying to see relatively small UFOs thru the small player on VN sucks in comparison.
 
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Vol737 said:
Rogan’s podcast with Eric Weinstein, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bryan Cox and other mathematicians, astrophysicist, etc. are really interesting. They put a lot into perspective. Assuming there are other life forms that visit earth, we have to understand that if they are a million light years away and they could travel at the speed of light, it would take them a million years to get here. That is too slow. So, they clearly have to travel faster than that to traverse galaxies. In other words, bend space, use worm holes or have a type of propulsion that we can’t understand nor imitate. I find the possibilities fascinating.
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1 thing that Grusch and others have been talking about is interdimensional beings. I read a great quote about them will see if i can find it. Basically saying they are here whenever they want to be but we cant "see" them unless we are allowed to or catch them off guard, because we dont even have the senses to notice them...much like animals use echolocation or navigate using earths magnetic fields, but us humans are incapable of either one due to our specific biology.
 
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Just for a fun “what-if”:

If it was revealed by our government that we are being visited by beings from another star system or galaxy with capabilities far beyond our own, I think the impact on the public would be minimal. Most people at least entertain the idea that aliens could exist and wouldn’t be that surprised. However, if the government came out and said that we are being visited by spiritual/inter-dimensional entities, I think that would spark a much greater panic. Those of us who are Christians would not be panicked though, and I think it would strengthen our faith.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Just for a fun “what-if”:

If it was revealed by our government that we are being visited by beings from another star system or galaxy with capabilities far beyond our own, I think the impact on the public would be minimal. Most people at least entertain the idea that aliens could exist and wouldn’t be that surprised. However, if the government came out and said that we are being visited by spiritual/inter-dimensional entities, I think that would spark a much greater panic. Those of us who are Christians would not be panicked though, and I think it would strengthen our faith.
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I think it would have the opposite effect on the devoutly religious, not just Christians.
 
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hog88 said:
I think it would have the opposite effect on the devoutly religious, not just Christians.
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IMO it could go either way. I’ve always thought that the God who created this earth and everything within could have also created many others all over the universe and at different points in time. If we could establish communication with an alien and they confirm that they have something analogous to Christianity or almost any religion for that matter, it wouldn’t have an impact. If the opposite happened, then I could see what you’re saying being the outcome.

It’s a fun thought experiment.
 
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Matt2496 said:
IMO it could go either way. I’ve always thought that the God who created this earth and everything within could have also created many others all over the universe and at different points in time. If we could establish communication with an alien and they confirm that they have something analogous to Christianity or almost any religion for that matter, it wouldn’t have an impact. If the opposite happened, then I could see what you’re saying being the outcome.

It’s a fun thought experiment.
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About the only time I enjoy talking to my MIL is when we discuss religion. She's like that poster on here that believes the bible literally and if it's not in the bible then it's not real or it's satan. So I've had this conversation with her she's just adamant that there can not be life on another planet because it's not mentioned in the bible, she gets all flustered when I ask what if Capt Kirk is one of G^ds angels and he and the Enterprise crew seeded the earth with life?
 
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Matt2496 said:
IMO it could go either way. I’ve always thought that the God who created this earth and everything within could have also created many others all over the universe and at different points in time. If we could establish communication with an alien and they confirm that they have something analogous to Christianity or almost any religion for that matter, it wouldn’t have an impact. If the opposite happened, then I could see what you’re saying being the outcome.

It’s a fun thought experiment.
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This is how I feel. I openly discuss it with my kids, my daughter helped me make that post up there with the angel image in it and she likes watching the new videos as they are made public with me for entertainment and we try to shoot holes in them with logic, physics, etc. Good times. We firmly believe in the God of Isaac and Jacob, and also know that He never says in the Bible that we are the only folks in this inconceivably HUGE universe. What a waste of space if we were the only ones...science now believes that there are trillions of of galaxies with something like 10^28 stars?? So how many planets is that haha? Just in the OBSERVABLE universe. No telling what we cannot see out there. Theres lots of Christians who love science like us and whose faith wouldn't ever be questioned by the discovery of other beings. Recent polls show more than half of Americans think UFOs already come to the US.


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About the only time I enjoy talking to my MIL is when we discuss religion. She's like that poster on here that believes the bible literally and if it's not in the bible then it's not real or it's satan. So I've had this conversation with her she's just adamant that there can not be life on another planet because it's not mentioned in the bible, she gets all flustered when I ask what if Capt Kirk is one of G^ds angels and he and the Enterprise crew seeded the earth with life?
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This sounds like real fun. There are waaaaaaay more things that are NOT in the Bible than things which ARE there. Wow
 
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Looks like that one was a flyover for a football game downtown at Panthers stadium. Cool video though, never seen fireworks/airplane combo before. Unfortunately i live in Charlotte rather than east TN.
 
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That article is complete BS.

So the guy who handled the actual study of the government evidence that he WAS allowed to see...whose conclusions from his overall study are an attempt to "debunk " anything unexplained and therefore has confirmation bias to that end...STILL states that 2% to 5% of the videos, photos, and accounts of witnesses CANNOT be attributed to neither US military nor our adversaries. Which is exactly what the last government study said. Which of course is EXACTLY the point: our fighter pilots, ships, radar installations are STILL encountering flying craft IN US AIRSPACE that are unidentifiable and ENDANGER our pilots, our national security, and Americans in general with their presence.

Author of the articles dumbass and outright dishonest conclusion to a misleading article:

" these UFOs are mankind, all the way down."

Which is absolute bullcrap AND disproved by the data stated IN the article ITSELF.

Brilliant. Sadly most folks are both too lazy to read the whole article, and too stupid to understand the inconsistencies therein...so in many cases the author and CNN will accomplish their normal objective and modus operandi: completely misleading anyone dumb enough to consume their propaganda. Business as usual from the lowest rung in "journalism". Facts be damned.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
That article is complete BS.

So the guy who handled the actual study of the government evidence that he WAS allowed to see...whose conclusions from his overall study are an attempt to "debunk " anything unexplained and therefore has confirmation bias to that end...STILL states that 2% to 5% of the videos, photos, and accounts of witnesses CANNOT be attributed to neither US military nor our adversaries. Which is exactly what the last government study said. Which of course is EXACTLY the point: our fighter pilots, ships, radar installations are STILL encountering flying craft IN US AIRSPACE that are unidentifiable and ENDANGER our pilots, our national security, and Americans in general with their presence.

Author of the articles dumbass and outright dishonest conclusion to a misleading article:

" these UFOs are mankind, all the way down."

Which is absolute bullcrap AND disproved by the data stated IN the article ITSELF.

Brilliant. Sadly most folks are both too lazy to read the whole article, and too stupid to understand the inconsistencies therein...so in many cases the author and CNN will accomplish their normal objective and modus operandi: completely misleading anyone dumb enough to consume their propaganda. Business as usual from the lowest rung in "journalism". Facts be damned.
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The very first word in the title of the article is OPINION. You can argue that his conclusions are wrong but I wouldn't call him dishonest. My opinion is that there is absolutely no evidence publicly available that indicates these things are ET. There is also absolutely no evidence that the government is covering up anything ET. I might be completely wrong but I'm not being dishonest.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
The very first word in the title of the article is OPINION. You can argue that his conclusions are wrong but I wouldn't call him dishonest. My opinion is that there is absolutely no evidence publicly available that indicates these things are ET. There is also absolutely no evidence that the government is covering up anything ET. I might be completely wrong but I'm not being dishonest.
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I agree 100%. I am not accusing you of being dishonest bud. I am sorry if thats what it appeared I was saying. I mean no disrespect to you man we are just exchanging information and opinions.

I think that the article IS in fact intellectually dishonest. I also think that it is misleading to someone that doesnt know better or is lazy/doesn't think critically. We could debate how large a portion of society falls sadly into this category but that doesnt sound like fun to me.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I agree 100%. I am not accusing you of being dishonest bud. I am sorry if thats what it appeared I was saying. I mean no disrespect to you man we are just exchanging information and opinions.

I think that the article IS in fact intellectually dishonest. I also think that it is misleading to someone that doesnt know better or is lazy/doesn't think critically. We could debate how large a portion of society falls sadly into this category but that doesnt sound like fun to me.
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I didn't think you were accusing me of being dishonest.

I do think you and I differ in whether we believe ET is or has been present on earth

In the 50s before I was 10 years old I saw all of the great science fiction movies of the time at our local theater. Earth vs. The Flying Saucers, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Forbidden Planet and many many other good and bad ones. I remember Sputnik like it was yesterday. I was reading Astounding regularly by time I was 11 or 12. I loved science fiction of all kinds (except horror). My parents were big magazine subscribers. Look, The Saturday Evening Post, and Life among others. You could count on at least one of them having an article about UFOs or space travel every month. And when the space race began it was even more frequent. The 50s was a time of much sensationalized reporting of all kinds of arial phenomenon. Much due to TV coming of age and the rise of all kinds of publications that were springing up post WWII. I remember at the time many people were of the opinion that there is so much of this going on some of it has to be true therefore there were a good number of believers. As much as I would like to have known that ET was here I was never convinced.

What I see going on now is not much different than what was going on in the 50s and 60s. Lights and objects in the sky. Fuzzy images. Blurry objects darting around of film. Reputable people speaking up. And perhaps the thing that convinced many people of the time that ET was here was the belief in and spread of government conspiracy theories.
 
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Vol737 said:
Rogan’s podcast with Eric Weinstein, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bryan Cox and other mathematicians, astrophysicist, etc. are really interesting. They put a lot into perspective. Assuming there are other life forms that visit earth, we have to understand that if they are a million light years away and they could travel at the speed of light, it would take them a million years to get here. That is too slow. So, they clearly have to travel faster than that to traverse galaxies. In other words, bend space, use worm holes or have a type of propulsion that we can’t understand nor imitate. I find the possibilities fascinating.
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Google "location variable"
 
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