U.S. Has UFOs of 'Non-Human Origin', Ex-Intelligence Officer Claims

[PKT_VOL]

stupid may be the wrong context. divurgent evolutions, different senses, if either side is "talking" in a media the other isn't evolved to understand it will have nothing to do with intelligence.

That is a good point.

In my opinion, it is hard to believe a much more advanced form of life would be using radio waves to communicate.

 

[hog88]

That is a good point.

In my opinion, it is hard to believe a much more advanced form of life would be using radio waves to communicate.

Why?

 

[LouderVol]

That is a good point.

In my opinion, it is hard to believe a much more advanced form of life would be using radio waves to communicate.

especially if they have some sort of technology that allows them to travel at FTL speeds, or some other form of transportation that ignores the various constraints our understanding of science currently understands.

at best our current communication hopes that we are speaking to a civilization that evolved similar senses to us, developed similar technology to us, and is at the same point in that evolution and technology as we as we message them. and is close enough where we could have meaningful non-FTL communication with. those radio waves would take at best 123 years to reach that planet with the gas. 123 years to get back. in 250 years are we even going to be listening radio waves, how would you even have a meaningful conversation with that much lag.

its likely our first warning of complex aliens is when they show up on our doorstop.

 

[hog88]

Why does everyone think an alien species need FTL travel to reach us? Sure they would need close to light speed travel but what if that other species has a life expectancy of thousands of our years? Or has developed cryogenics (or whatever) for prolonged space travel? A 500 year trip for a being that lives 10,000 of our years would be like a 4 year trip for us.

 

[LouderVol]

Why does everyone think an alien species need FTL travel to reach us? Sure they would need close to light speed travel but what if that other species has a life expectancy of thousands of our years? Or has developed cryogenics (or whatever) for prolonged space travel? A 500 year trip for a being that lives 10,000 of our years would be like a 4 year trip for us.

thats possible, but not likely.

how many 4 year trips have many explorers taken?

unless they have already established themselves and have experience already doing so, I don't see it as really worth it. Unless its some Captain Kirk style plot line where they need to breed with us.

synthetic life is another what if I don't see discussed much.

 

[hog88]

thats possible, but not likely.

how many 4 year trips have many explorers taken?

unless they have already established themselves and have experience already doing so, I don't see it as really worth it. Unless its some Captain Kirk style plot line where they need to breed with us.

synthetic life is another what if I don't see discussed much.

Back in the day of the sailing ships they took a whole lot of 4 year exploration trips. Magellans circumnavigation was 3 years, Cooks first voyage was 3 years. Heck a whaling vessel was usually out 1 1l2 to 2 years each voyage.

 

[LouderVol]

Back in the day of the sailing ships they took a whole lot of 4 year exploration trips. Magellans circumnavigation was 3 years, Cooks first voyage was 3 years. Heck a whaling vessel was usually out 1 1l2 to 2 years each voyage.

those weren't going point to point. I guess theoretically we could be on the way to something else and worth a "year" or so detor, but doesn't seem worth it imo. but who knows.

maybe they got tired of us spamming them with our nudes and terrible mixed tapes and will do anything to get us to stop.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Magnetism is fairly well understood. Gravity, on the other hand, is a very, very big problem in physics. General Relativity, where gravity comes from the warping of spacetime, breaks down at the plank scale. Quantum Mechanics, which typically lives at the plank level, basically treats spacetime as flat and uniform for the sake of math. This results in two separate, very successful theories of physics; one for the very large and one for the very small. Neither theory fits with the other. That's a massive problem. The sneaking suspicion is that quantum mechanics is more fundamental and spacetime are emergent afterthoughts.

String Theory is basically dead. There were some useful mathematical concepts that came from the project but nothing of any substance ever came from it. Most top physicists believe the future is geometric physical theories.



Don't feel bad, Einstein wasn't able to wrap his head around it either. It wasn't until recently that we were able to set up experiments which proved the universe is not locally real (nonlocality) via the 2022 Nobel Prize from a 2016 experiment based on original experiments in the 70's. Einstein insisted that the universe was locally real and there were hidden variables which accounted for entanglement ("spookiness at a distance"). His concept of hidden variables was proven false in these experiments proving that the universe was indeed not locally real.

I think it is easier to start with quantum mechanics and project back to the macro level. If you start with the idea of a singular wave function and only think of "electrons" as manifestations of that wave function, then it becomes easier to conceptualize. The problem is we live in the macro world with macro objects (including ourselves) and conceptualize the world as classically real. If you start to view the macro world through the Everett interpretation of quantum mechanics (many-worlds interpretation), marrying quantum mechanics and your own macro world start to make some sense. There are just a lot of you's in the universe.

Another aspect to bare in mind is the fallibility of your brain. The brain was designed for survival, not truth-seeking. Your brain is literally rendering a mental simulated reality to you on the fly given the inputs from your senses. A simulation machine if you will. From a survival perspective, your brain wants to simulate as fast as it can with the least amount of resources; thus, it is constantly making shortcuts in rendering. This is where optical illusions arise. In the real world, illusions such as bricks being solid when they are 99.9% nothingness or the illusion that you have touched our wife and children (you haven't, the atoms in your fingers or whatever part of your body get close enough to their atoms to repel your atoms and our brain renders that interaction as actually "touching" them). In short, reality is massively different than our mental simulations. Reality is much stranger than the fiction our brains tell us everyday.



A couple things to bare in mind.

1) There is a reason the sighting are mostly off the East and West coast of the US. Those are the best areas for testing black projects. There are no prying eyes there and not singularly located where satellites can easily track. If another country or private-citizen sleuths want to attempt to track these objects moving at insane speeds they have to consider these platforms could be anywhere off our large coasts at night with the black water and the black sky as backdrops respectively. Good luck. Also, since we have our ships on the coast doing training and seas trials, it is a great way to test black projects against the best available white radar and current SOP's.

2) The SR-71, one of the most impressive planes ever, was developed in the 50's by hand. Stealth was developed in the 70's. There hasn't been a fundamentally new technology of air power released since then. DARPA/US Airforce/partnered contractors have only applied and released various platforms incorporating stealth at a rate needed to stay far ahead of the rest of the world. A slow drip of new platforms with analogous perfected technology which serve their function. Yet, the US has dedicated their best minds, best super computers, and virtually limitless budget to creating fundamentally new technology for the past 50 years. It isn't a stretch to think they have some wild prototypes flying around.

3) The platforms don't have a pilot. They are clearly drones which isn't a shock. The B21 can act as a drone as well.

4) I think the splitting in half you are referring to is an optical illusion. You have to keep in mind the laws of conservation.

5) As far NASA, they would have no access to the program. They would be in the dark as much as either of us. These platforms would be of the utmost secrecy due to national security. The benefit of exploring our own solar system would not supersede our national security interests.

6) I would bare in mind that these platforms are obviously moving though spacetime; albeit quite fast through some mechanism of anti-resistance. However fast they may travel relative to our current white technology, they are nowhere near fast enough to explore outside the solar system. The fastest (known) human made object can reach ~500 Mach with the help of the sun's gravity. Light travels at 870,030 Mach. The closest star is 4.2 light-years away. Space in incomprehensibly massive. Aliens simply aren't moving through spacetime.

Thanks bud. I was looking forward to this. It may have been a decade, but I remember some great posts discussing science and physics you have made and knew your thoughts would be thought provoking. I read quite a bit about science, but never went to college so the last physics class I took was 30 years ago in HS. I know you have more extensive education about many of these things. Appreciate your thoughts. Dont be a stranger in here...for the 1st time in my life things are getting more interesting pretty quickly now that everyone carries a camera with them 24/7 and the feds are at least somewhat starting to acknowledge these sightings.

 

[Weezer]

It's possible this has been discussed, but what if the aliens have pie?

 

[volinsd]

What if USO's and UAP's generate tremendous heat during operation? How significant is their carbon footprint? Im curious as to just how much of a tax we would need to pay to level out the climate effects from these vessels.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Why?

It would be terribly inefficient to send be used for intergalactic communication. There is a lot of objects in the universe pumping out interfering patterns.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

@PKT_VOL
Relevant to our discussion, i like the guy as well and he does a good job trying to communicate complex and poorly understood subject matter to normal people IMO who are not in his field of study. Not sure i agree with some of what he says, but glad he is doing the research. We are due for a 5th Force and a new particle or 2 ...



^^^ this bottom video is entirely about Einstein vs Bohrs theories, explaining them and trying to reconcile them. The elephant in the room is that you simply cannot reconcile the 2 into a "unified theory" right now. We are still too ignorant in 2024. So scientists must use Bohrs theories for micro and Einsteins relativity for the macro universe around us. For now anyway...

 

[PKT_VOL]

especially if they have some sort of technology that allows them to travel at FTL speeds, or some other form of transportation that ignores the various constraints our understanding of science currently understands.

at best our current communication hopes that we are speaking to a civilization that evolved similar senses to us, developed similar technology to us, and is at the same point in that evolution and technology as we as we message them. and is close enough where we could have meaningful non-FTL communication with. those radio waves would take at best 123 years to reach that planet with the gas. 123 years to get back. in 250 years are we even going to be listening radio waves, how would you even have a meaningful conversation with that much lag.

its likely our first warning of complex aliens is when they show up on our doorstop.

Agree with most of this.

Our forms of communication are more hubris by us than legitimate, well-thought out attempts/strategy. To your scenario, even if our radio waves make it to the planet, it is extremely doubtful they would every pick them up (assuming there is intelligent life, they understand radio waves, and they are intently listening for alien life). Secondly, since we can't leave our planet in any meaningful way, we really ought to not intentionally blast signals of our existence. We ought to be like hermits listening intently listening.

Above all that, we need try and take control of our own cosmological environment. We dedicate way too little resources looking for objects that might impact Earth and countermeasures if we find them. Looking at the geological record of Earth, that is really foolish. Not to mention taming our super volcanos (looking at you Yellowstone). At our current rate, we are going to self filter ourselves out Fermis paradox.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Why does everyone think an alien species need FTL travel to reach us? Sure they would need close to light speed travel but what if that other species has a life expectancy of thousands of our years? Or has developed cryogenics (or whatever) for prolonged space travel? A 500 year trip for a being that lives 10,000 of our years would be like a 4 year trip for us.

Nothing with any considerable mass will get anywhere close to light speed. Even if one could travel at light speed, you have to deal with entropy and the resources to fight it.

 

[PKT_VOL]

thats possible, but not likely.

how many 4 year trips have many explorers taken?

unless they have already established themselves and have experience already doing so, I don't see it as really worth it. Unless its some Captain Kirk style plot line where they need to breed with us.

synthetic life is another what if I don't see discussed much.

Silicon-based life would have a longer shelf life than carbon-based life. It would still be subject to the march of entropy and need resources to keep itself going.

If not using dimensional travel or nonlocality, they would have to be to perpetuate themselves while in travel, travel with stealth in case in order to avoid being detected by a hostile lifeform of superior technology, survive an encounter with the other life form, and commutate information back to their home region.

 

[hog88]

Nothing with any considerable mass will get anywhere close to light speed. Even if one could travel at light speed, you have to deal with entropy and the resources to fight it.

All possible with the right tech. People used to say man would never fly.

 

[VolTull]

Why does everyone think an alien species need FTL travel to reach us?

They don't need to travel in the conventional sense. Asked and answered before.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Thanks bud. I was looking forward to this. It may have been a decade, but I remember some great posts discussing science and physics you have made and knew your thoughts would be thought provoking. I read quite a bit about science, but never went to college so the last physics class I took was 30 years ago in HS. I know you have more extensive education about many of these things. Appreciate your thoughts. Dont be a stranger in here...for the 1st time in my life things are getting more interesting pretty quickly now that everyone carries a camera with them 24/7 and the feds are at least somewhat starting to acknowledge these sightings.

No problem. I don't have a formal education in physics outside of a 2 years of AP Physics in high school and a year of physics at UT doing a different STEM major. I just nerd out on physics and philosophy in my spare time and have a knack of explaining dense topics.

As far as seeing objects, if you can distinguish the ISS flying overhead and falling stars, it is possible to get lucky during the wee hours of the morning and spot an object at high altitude moving way too fast for white technology. I've only been lucky enough to for it to happen once.

 

[PKT_VOL]

All possible with the right tech. People used to say man would never fly.

Yeah, but they were ignorant. There as never a physics reason preventing it; only an evolutionary one and a lack of engineering within physics at the time.

If an intelligent life species wants to travel FTL, their best bet is via dimensionality or nonlocality; not through spacetime.

 

[hog88]

Yeah, but they were ignorant. There as never a physics reason preventing it; only an evolutionary one and a lack of engineering within physics at the time.

If an intelligent life species wants to travel FTL, their best bet is via dimensionality or nonlocality; not through spacetime.

I agree with faster than light, that's probably not possible. But almost as fast as light is a different story.

 

[C-south]

They don't need to travel in the conventional sense. Asked and answered before.

Lol. Alien “expert” here.

 

[VolTull]

Lol. Alien “expert” here.

35 years of continuous research, CE-3 and CE-5 experiencer, several physical abductions, two books, dozens of lectures and seminars etc etc etc whether or not that makes me an 'expert' is in the EOTB. Most do.

At least the ones that have a fng clue.

Now, since you can judge expertise in this subject, what are your credentials?

 

[volinsd]

35 years of continuous research, CE-3 and CE-5 experiencer, several physical abductions, two books, dozens of lectures and seminars etc etc etc whether or not that makes me an 'expert' is in the EOTB. Most do.

At least the ones that have a fng clue.

Now, since you can judge expertise in this subject, what are your credentials?

May I inquire about said books? I've been digging into this stuff more and more lately.

If you are wanting to remain anonymous I understand that as well.

 

[LouderVol]

35 years of continuous research, CE-3 and CE-5 experiencer, several physical abductions, two books, dozens of lectures and seminars etc etc etc whether or not that makes me an 'expert' is in the EOTB. Most do.

At least the ones that have a fng clue.

Now, since you can judge expertise in this subject, what are your credentials?

have you thought about putting a satellite based tracker on your self?

 

[C-south]

have you thought about putting a satellite based tracker on your self?