U.S. Has UFOs of 'Non-Human Origin', Ex-Intelligence Officer Claims

Does the .gov have Alien tech?

  • Yes

    Votes: 41 32.5%

  • No

    Votes: 31 24.6%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 17 13.5%

  • It's Trumps Fault

    Votes: 17 13.5%

  • Yes, but also....Pie

    Votes: 9 7.1%

  • No, but also... Pie

    Votes: 11 8.7%
  • Total voters
    126
#152
#152
RikidyBones said:
The bible could also be text of how we interpreted alien interference of this planet and our species which could also include their understanding of religion and creation. So it could still have accuracies at the macro level. It doesn't mean God doesn't exist.
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So, then it is not to be taken literally?
 
#153
#153
ClearwaterVol said:
So, then it is not to be taken literally?
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Depends. Even if some of the descriptions were of an extraterrestrial encounter, the lessons and commandments might still have legitimacy from a higher power. Just because the bible names them angels or demons doesn't take much away imo. It changes the lens, certainly.

Or

These morals might be a key ingredient to a species creating a successful society. Maybe it's only important to a certain stage of society and there is a fork in the road to determine if it will become technologically advanced or destroy itself.

It could go either way.
 
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#156
#156
VolStrom said:
In this day and age of high resolution video and cameras, why are the only pictures I've ever seen of the "so called" alien spacecraft look like something from an early 1980's black and white video game on a worn out 1960's CRT?
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I think it was Mitch Hedburg who said it best. "Maybe it's not technology that's the problem, maybe they are just blurry." Probably strangling the joke a bit and I think he was talking about bigfoot, but the point stands.

Why would we assume that these aliens who have access to technology far far beyond our own would adhere to our current understanding of physics. If they have figured out to travel faster than the speed of light it seems like some cloaking/blurring tech would be pretty easy. May even be part of the ftl tech itself. A byproduct.
 
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#157
#157
MercyPercy said:
Unless you just die and go back to the dirt, then you won't know anything.. you'd just be dead.
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The biggest problem with your argument is it just jumps to the ends, missing the means.

I would think if you are one of the 5 actual Christian's out there living like the Christ teaches, and you are wrong about your faith. You are dead, but you lived a more selfless life and helped others, while all around trying to be a better person when it comes to interacting with other humans. Commendable even without a faith to justify it. So even though those 5 will have been "wrong" they still have probably lived a better life than those who were "right". And the world will be lesser without them.

Some selfish butthole may end up in the ground right next to the Christian but the world in that case is probably better off without him even though he was right about Christianity being wrong.
 
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#158
LouderVol said:
The biggest problem with your argument is it just jumps to the ends, missing the means.

I would think if you are one of the 5 actual Christian's out there living like the Christ teaches, and you are wrong about your faith. You are dead, but you lived a more selfless life and helped others, while all around trying to be a better person when it comes to interacting with other humans. Commendable even without a faith to justify it. So even though those 5 will have been "wrong" they still have probably lived a better life than those who were "right". And the world will be lesser without them.

Some selfish butthole may end up in the ground right next to the Christian but the world in that case is probably better off without him even though he was right about Christianity being wrong.
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I'm not very religious but I don't see how a person can go wrong trying to live by the 10 commandments and Jesus' teachings. Nothing in them would make you a bad person.
 
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#159
hog88 said:
I'm not very religious but I don't see how a person can go wrong trying to live by the 10 commandments and Jesus' teachings. Nothing in them would make you a bad person.
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Does that include whipping people when they get out of line?
 
#167
#167
LouderVol said:
The biggest problem with your argument is it just jumps to the ends, missing the means.

I would think if you are one of the 5 actual Christian's out there living like the Christ teaches, and you are wrong about your faith. You are dead, but you lived a more selfless life and helped others, while all around trying to be a better person when it comes to interacting with other humans. Commendable even without a faith to justify it. So even though those 5 will have been "wrong" they still have probably lived a better life than those who were "right". And the world will be lesser without them.

Some selfish butthole may end up in the ground right next to the Christian but the world in that case is probably better off without him even though he was right about Christianity being wrong.
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I'm not sure what any of this has to do with my post lol

Hog just said that a lot of people one day will find out whether they were right or wrong about the afterlife. I responded and said that wouldn't be the case if you did just die and there was nothing. You wouldn't know anything about the afterlife or lack thereof.

I didn't comment at all about whether or not someone lives a better life for believing.
 
#168
#168
Septic said:
Pentagon said so.

Why would they lie about having advanced technology?
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This is crux of the debate.

They clearly have advanced technology. It is clearly in their best (our best) interest that they keep such technology under wraps as long as they can.

The only question is the origin of the technology. Unfortunately alien enthusiasts, extraterrestrial origins makes less sense than man-made technology.
 
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#169
#169
PKT_VOL said:
This is crux of the debate.

They clearly have advanced technology. It is clearly in their best (our best) interest that they keep such technology under wraps as long as they can.

The only question is the origin of the technology. Unfortunately alien enthusiasts, extraterrestrial origins makes less sense than man-made technology.
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I should have blue fonted that...
 
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#170
#170
Vol8188 said:
Does the Bible ever make the claim that god only created life on this planet? I don’t think it does, but I may be wrong
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No.

No it doesn't.

There is zero logical conflict nor cognitive dissonance required to be a Bible believing Christian and also believe in aliens. God says he made man in His image. Thats it. Never mentions any other planets, galaxies, species from them etc in the Bible.

I don't know why some folks think proof of aliens would just wreck Christianity. I can definitely see people panicking...which may or may not be appropriate. If they have the technology to get here, then they are waaaay more advanced than we are.

Remember folks...humans have only been flying for 100 years. Never been further away than our own moon...more than 50 years ago. Also, we only have the means (propulsion tech) to achieve escape velocity on a planet up to about 1.3 times the mass of tiny little Earth. Jupiter has like 10,000 times the mass of Earth for example. We couldnt even leave the ground on jupiter. At all. You can fit 4 Earth sized planets in the red eye looking storm on jupiter alone....

We are infants in flight/spacecraft. If that even...brand new to humans. The Navy/AF videos suggest these alien craft are powered by 1 of the 4 known forces we barely have any understanding of...gravity or electromagnetism. Or...a force of this universe we havent even discovered yet. They have no visible means of propulsion whatsoever...nor do they make contrails like our jets do from moisture in the air freezing in the frigid upper atmosphere on the wings and surfaces of our jets. These things leave no trail whatsoever...turn on a dime 90 degrees or more instantly...and accelerate orders of magnitude faster than anything man has ever built. We do not even have the materials to build such a craft. That we know of anyway...

We are like monkeys in the zoo to any space faring species that comes waaaay out in the galactic boonies to Earth.

We'll make great pets.
 
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#171
#171
They keep their latest **** under a tight wrap because they know if China even gets a whiff of it they'll try to duplicate it, like they do with all our technology. I assume very few other countries have the resources or expertise to try and replicate our most advanced stuff. It's all about China these days.
 
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#172
#172
lawgator1 said:
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I , for one, would be absolutely thrilled if a bunch of ALFs showed up to rid this planet of housecats. Just sayin..
 
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#175
#175
PKT_VOL said:
Oh, I knew it was blue fonted.

The problem is there is an uncomfortably large segment of our population who don't understand why it is sarcasm and will take it as evidence for alien encounters hidden by the Pentagon.
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Still begs the question as to how come with the advent of camera technology in your back pocket the number of "recordings" has dropped dramatically on the past three decades. You would think sightings would be more frequent, not less so.

If we are talking extremely isolated events (Roswell for example) that happen maybe every 10-20 years at most, I could see a cover up working. But when everyone wants to post stuff on social media as soon as it happens, I'm not seeing the ability to contain info as it gets out.
 
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