UAB shutting down football program

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Just heard from a reliable source that Carr indicated in a private meeting that the decision was made in August.
 
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At a minimum the truth lies somewhere between the Carr report and this one.

I do agree with the OSKR analysis that treats scholarship costs as different than scholarship value/price. There is very little incremental cost in allowing a student to attend a university for "free". The scholarship has a value but the costs are substantially lower than the value or list price.
 
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volinbham said:
At a minimum the truth lies somewhere between the Carr report and this one.

I do agree with the OSKR analysis that treats scholarship costs as different than scholarship value/price. There is very little incremental cost in allowing a student to attend a university for "free". The scholarship has a value but the costs are substantially lower than the value or list price.
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That applies when the student attending for free is only taking classes with unfilled seats. Every time that they are in a full classroom they could be taking a spot from a paying customer.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
That applies when the student attending for free is only taking classes with unfilled seats. Every time that they are in a full classroom they could be taking a spot from a paying customer.
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honestly though how many of the athletes are taking classes that get filled up? most gen eds and philosophy classes have a lot of open seats (at least at UT)the ones taking classes that fill up probably deserve to be there.
 
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LouderVol said:
honestly though how many of the athletes are taking classes that get filled up? most gen eds and philosophy classes have a lot of open seats (at least at UT)the ones taking classes that fill up probably deserve to be there.
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Those might be upper level classes. When I was a freshman at UT it was hard to find open spots in most everything in the core curriculum. By the time I was a junior and taking the courses within my major it was much easier to sign up for and actually get the desired class. Maybe first year english, math, and science classes aren't nearly as hard to find spots anymore. I never was able to land a coveted seat in Wild Bill Cherry's classes at UT. They dumped my butt into physics and sociology.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Those might be upper level classes. When I was a freshman at UT it was hard to find open spots in most everything in the core curriculum. By the time I was a junior and taking the courses within my major it was much easier to sign up for and actually get the desired class. Maybe first year english, math, and science classes aren't nearly as hard to find spots anymore. I never was able to land a coveted seat in Wild Bill Cherry's classes at UT. They dumped my butt into physics and sociology.
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He was the best. I learned a lot and had fun doing it. And he cared about his students, an example of what a professor should be. Doctor Cherry, "piled higher and deeper".:)
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
That applies when the student attending for free is only taking classes with unfilled seats. Every time that they are in a full classroom they could be taking a spot from a paying customer.
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Really rare instance. There are multiple sections and plenty of classes that run far less than at capacity. We are talking 25 students/year for a football team - hardly going to be noticed.

Besides, most public schools are not turning away students.
 
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It's gonna be tough standing a team up again after shutting it down. It's gonna take awhile to field a decent team again IMO.
 
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An update - over 22 million has been pledged so far. The CSS report shows that is more than sufficient to cover the deficit. It also shows the original (Carr) Report omitted several key issues (CUSA monies, etc.) and greatly overstated the costs to keep football.

Virtually every entity (city, alumni, students, faculty) have pledged and voiced support. 55 local communities have passed resolutions to bring it back, 56 state high school football coaches have stated how critical it is for state players; the list goes on and on.

Still, the signs are ominous.

To top it all off, Watts and crew indicated the "decision" will come via social media and email rather than any public statement.

The heat is about to be turned up.
 
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volinbham said:
An update - over 22 million has been pledged so far. The CSS report shows that is more than sufficient to cover the deficit. It also shows the original (Carr) Report omitted several key issues (CUSA monies, etc.) and greatly overstated the costs to keep football.

Virtually every entity (city, alumni, students, faculty) have pledged and voiced support. 55 local communities have passed resolutions to bring it back, 56 state high school football coaches have stated how critical it is for state players; the list goes on and on.

Still, the signs are ominous.

To top it all off, Watts and crew indicated the "decision" will come via social media and email rather than any public statement.

The heat is about to be turned up.
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Hard to believe even after this amount of support, it's still not going to save the program.

And I'm one who never thought there would be this much response to the shutting down.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Hard to believe even after this amount of support, it's still not going to save the program.

And I'm one who never thought there would be this much response to the shutting down.
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A large part of the response is the shadiness of how it was handled from Watts up the chain to his handlers.

Things are going to be bad if he decides against.
 
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volinbham said:
A large part of the response is the shadiness of how it was handled from Watts up the chain to his handlers.

Things are going to be bad if he decides against.
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It sounds like it needs to be bad. Smells like there's a lot of rotten fruit in the top of the tree.
 
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So the latest I've heard is that he told the National Alumni Society last night that UAB will not put any more money into athletics. The original donut hole to fill was 15million which has been raised. However he said facilities upgrades are needed too so the number is now 25 million.

Some big problems here:

1) First and foremost, this is the first time that I can tell that he's stated any specific number that needs to be raised. It sure looks like moving the goal posts.

2) If he had a number in mind he should have gone public and actually HELPED raise the money - it's clear he doesn't want football and assumes the money can't be raised.

3) donors basically have less than 5 days to raise another 10million - wonder why the number wasn't made public sooner.

This guy is the absolute worst leader I've ever seen. This is a first rate screw job of the highest order and people are going to lose their minds as they learn how this went down.
 
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