UAB shutting down football program

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The official line is that in order to be successful they would have had to put more $ in so they are maintaining existing budget and reallocating.

By my count they are still 38 male scholarships short for Title IX - maybe they will allocate those across other men's sports but no details were given.
 
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Watts getting escorted through the crowd right before people started beating on his car.

Looks like Chris Rock at 1 pm from the uniformed officer :p
 

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I simply cannot tell what word the guy in blue is about to say...
 

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I think it's a pretty interesting development. Back when the autonomy discussions were going on you had AD's and conference commissioners talking about how it would effect non revenue sports. I kept wondering how much money a school could save in reality by nixing the baseball and rowing teams?

I watched the press conference a short time ago and it was interesting as well. The school provides 2/3 of the football budget, 20 Million of 30 Million. Annual donations/philanthropy/donating is 2 million a year, the student body doesn't show up for football games...so the donors and students seem like the last people that should be crying.

The school would be investing 100 Million over a five year period, that's UT's football budget for a year and what I'm hearing him say is the divide will only grow and that there is no way they can afford to invest competitively.

I think he's also saying that they will be going "all in" on basketball and let's face it, they have a much easier path to the NCAA tourney in basketball than they ever could possibly have in football.

It sucks for the players and the coaches.
 
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bamawriter said:
And if it stays at the FCS level, as it probably always should have, it will probably be able to carry itself for more than 23 years.
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Then why couldn't it announce it was dropping down a level to save it. But as everybody except those who don't want to talk bad about little bear and the family, knows this was all personal.
 
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vol66 said:
I think it's a pretty interesting development. Back when the autonomy discussions were going on you had AD's and conference commissioners talking about how it would effect non revenue sports. I kept wondering how much money a school could save in reality by nixing the baseball and rowing teams?

I watched the press conference a short time ago and it was interesting as well. The school provides 2/3 of the football budget, 20 Million of 30 Million. Annual donations/philanthropy/donating is 2 million a year, the student body doesn't show up for football games...so the donors and students seem like the last people that should be crying.

The school would be investing 100 Million over a five year period, that's UT's football budget for a year and what I'm hearing him say is the divide will only grow and that there is no way they can afford to invest competitively.

I think he's also saying that they will be going "all in" on basketball and let's face it, they have a much easier path to the NCAA tourney in basketball than they ever could possibly have in football.

It sucks for the players and the coaches.
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Your numbers are off.

The 20 million of 30 million is the entire athletic budget; not just football. It's not clear to what extent the football program is subsidized though it is likely subsidized.

The $100 million over 5 years is the total athletic budget (20 million x 5); not the spending on football. That number remains the same without football with whatever portion that was going to support football (unknown) being allocated to other programs.

Presumably with no change in football this number wouldn't change.

The rationale stated by UAB is that in order to be competitive they would need to spend an additional $27million in football over 5 years (just over $5 million a year). Keep in mind, that is a budget increase to IMPROVE the program. Thus keeping AND improving football takes the 5 year number for ALL athletic spending from $100m to $127m.

The other chunk of money referenced is $22 million for facilities over 5 years. This number too is also misleading since it represents capital spending which occurs over a considerably longer period of time. The annual expense is lease and bond payments rather than dividing $22 million by 5.

Finally, the donor numbers are correct however the Football Foundation recently pledged more than $5 million. I suspect more philanthropy could have been found though I'm not sure it would cover the additional $5 million/year + whatever the capital annual nut is.
 
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sad pic

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VolsSportsFan said:
Meh, it will resurrect in 15-20 years.
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Not sure the money's going to be there any more / much more for these smaller conference schools by then, especially with how much distance between that the divide/separation between Power 5 and the others will have created by then.
 
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volinbham said:
Your numbers are off.

The 20 million of 30 million is the entire athletic budget; not just football. It's not clear to what extent the football program is subsidized though it is likely subsidized.

The $100 million over 5 years is the total athletic budget (20 million x 5); not the spending on football. That number remains the same without football with whatever portion that was going to support football (unknown) being allocated to other programs.

Presumably with no change in football this number wouldn't change.

The rationale stated by UAB is that in order to be competitive they would need to spend an additional $27million in football over 5 years (just over $5 million a year). Keep in mind, that is a budget increase to IMPROVE the program. Thus keeping AND improving football takes the 5 year number for ALL athletic spending from $100m to $127m.

The other chunk of money referenced is $22 million for facilities over 5 years. This number too is also misleading since it represents capital spending which occurs over a considerably longer period of time. The annual expense is lease and bond payments rather than dividing $22 million by 5.

Finally, the donor numbers are correct however the Football Foundation recently pledged more than $5 million. I suspect more philanthropy could have been found though I'm not sure it would cover the additional $5 million/year + whatever the capital annual nut is.
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Gotcha, thanks...that makes it even worse IMO. Do you have any idea what the income from football at UAB is?
 
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vol66 said:
Gotcha, thanks...that makes it even worse IMO. Do you have any idea what the income from football at UAB is?
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There's a link someone else posted and the number I've seen is about $9 million but it's not clear if that's real revenue or if it's revenue after the subsidies are included.

Assuming the worst (67% subsidy) it would be $3 million but I bet it's higher than that.

Leaving all the conspiracy stuff aside the decision does seem short-sighted and given how it was presented I still believe it was pre-determined and the studies were used to support that decision.
 
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volinbham said:
There's a link someone else posted and the number I've seen is about $9 million but it's not clear if that's real revenue or if it's revenue after the subsidies are included.

Assuming the worst (67% subsidy) it would be $3 million but I bet it's higher than that.

Leaving all the conspiracy stuff aside the decision does seem short-sighted and given how it was presented I still believe it was pre-determined and the studies were used to support that decision.
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You're just speaking income as in revenue, right?
 
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RollinVol said:
Then why couldn't it announce it was dropping down a level to save it. But as everybody except those who don't want to talk bad about little bear and the family, knows this was all personal.
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If the numbers were there to justify keeping the program alive, it wouldn't matter whose feelings were hurt.
 
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bamawriter said:
If the numbers were there to justify keeping the program alive, it wouldn't matter whose feelings were hurt.
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And your racist little bear wouldn't let them make quality decisions to keep it alive. It was all personal and killing that program
 
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volinbham said:
There's a link someone else posted and the number I've seen is about $9 million but it's not clear if that's real revenue or if it's revenue after the subsidies are included.

Assuming the worst (67% subsidy) it would be $3 million but I bet it's higher than that.

Leaving all the conspiracy stuff aside the decision does seem short-sighted and given how it was presented I still believe it was pre-determined and the studies were used to support that decision.
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How Profitable is Football in Conference USA? |

Obviously this data is a couple years old.

I think at that level there has to be a from top to bottom investment. Not having a stadium on campus is very difficult. It would seem essential along with the other trimmings like an indoor facility.

If they aren't prepared as an institution to fund it and they don't feel like the donors are prepared to help them Maybe they are better off focusing on what they can do well.

I haven't followed the situation and you obviously know more than I do about the hijinks with the BOT.
 
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RollinVol said:
And your racist little bear wouldn't let them make quality decisions to keep it alive. It was all personal and killing that program
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I don't know about him being racist. But then I don't know him at all.

But there were no decisions that were going to suddenly drum up the fan support needed to make that program self-sustaining.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't know about him being racist. But then I don't know him at all.

But there were no decisions that were going to suddenly drum up the fan support needed to make that program self-sustaining.
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Self-sustaining is a quality only a select few programs in the country possess. Wrong metric IMHO.
 
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Well Bamawriter, I have to give props to you for picking track and cross-country. Seems Dr. Watts did not mention some relevant facts today. The Carr Report (attached) shows that to maintain Title IX compliance they evaluated the addition of men's outdoor track, indoor track and cross-country.

Hmmm, wonder why that wasn't mentioned?

Also in the report is the nugget that to support existing sports and the new ones $49 million in new facilities would be needed including a new soccer stadium and track facility.

Watts told us that investing $22 million in football facilities would be a detriment but the strategic plan has investments more than doubling that with new sports being part of that.

In the larger picture does anyone think that men's track will have a better PR impact on the university than football? Does anyone think UAB could compete nationally in men's track and if they could would anyone care?

It's clear this report was "show us how we can get rid of football"

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volinbham said:
The official line is that in order to be successful they would have had to put more $ in so they are maintaining existing budget and reallocating.

By my count they are still 38 male scholarships short for Title IX - maybe they will allocate those across other men's sports but no details were given.
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All D1 sports have limits on how many scholarships can be given. UAB will have to start new teams or kill off some female sports.
 
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RollinVol said:
Then why couldn't it announce it was dropping down a level to save it. But as everybody except those who don't want to talk bad about little bear and the family, knows this was all personal.
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Students should go statue tipping over in Tuscaloosa.
 
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hog88 said:
All D1 sports have limits on how many scholarships can be given. UAB will have to start new teams or kill off some female sports.
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I had heard that some men's sports weren't maxed out so maxing them out happens first.

The consulting group they are relying on built their financial projections on the addition of Men's indoor/outdoor track and cross country
 
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In case it wasn't mentioned - UAB said all coaches contracts and all student's scholarships would be honored including marching band, Blazerettes, etc. If I understood correctly one can finish there degree regardless of where they were in the process.

Kinda makes you wonder where those "savings" over the next 5 years are coming from since the coaches contracts run a couple years and some scholarships will run for 3 or 4 more.
 
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