UAW On Strike

[Orangeburst]

with 179K employers that equates to about $400 employee. Fetter man is a dumbass..looks like a ****ing slob as well.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Finally a lot of things we agree on. By being competitive in the world labor market, I don't literally mean that we should be at a point of competing with companies like China for world markets. We should have labor rates that favor domestically made products vs those built overseas and shipped here. Transoceanic shipping costs give us a buffer; we could still manufacture here and maintain a higher standard of living and cost of labor and not actually be dollar for dollar competitive with Chinese or other labor rates. Manufacturing here is strategically essential - a lesson we should have learned and taken to heart from WW2, and that we should have made a cornerstone of policies - including labor and other production costs and maintaining sanity in that respect.

We don't really agree on the main cause of the problem. Your kneejerk is to blame labor/wages. My point is that due to money printing and failed leadership in this country, there wouldn't be much justification for workers wanting/needing higher wages because they would have more stable purchasing power.

Again, you said it yourself in an earlier post when you spoke about your very own experience coming out of college. Purchasing power and standard of living is going down. That isn't the fault of the workers.

Also, for the most part, American goods are not competing with other products in foreign markets because we mostly don't make enough here at home to export. We mainly produce for domestic consumption. That is why we have a trade imbalance. Companies offshored excess production overseas and now serve those foreign markets with overseas production.

And again, we need to protect our own domestic industrial base (what little bit of it that is left), and don't concern ourselves too much with this failed globalist market idea. We need to circle the wagons and focus on domestic production and serving our own needs here at home.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yep. I've seen very conscientious union workers do some almost artful work, and I've seen other use work rules to do almost nothing. We delivered system components that only had to be installed in a electronic cabinet at one plant. I bought an identical cabinet and we had installed and tested everything in our shop even down to making the interconnecting wiring harness. The system installation was simple. At the end of the first shift, three rack mounted components were in place with almost no wiring done. The second shift basically let us finish the job which from start to finish was at most a three hour job.

Sounds like a management issue.

On another test we had to install instrumentation inside the reactor to monitor vibration, temperature, and flow during hot functional testing (without real fuel). That turned into a work stoppage because the unions argued that our engineers shouldn't be installing instrumentation ... of course, none of the unions had any experience and it crossed craft boundaries. The solution: our guy did the work while at least one of each trade watched - boilermaker, electrician, instrument tech, welder, and two or three more. They didn't assist ... just observed.

Now boilermakers are behind the UAW on my list. Now I see some of the source of your frustration. Again, not all unions/trades are the same (and not all work environments are the same), but you do have certain situations where it can get very, very ridiculous.

And I've had to deal with the crossing craft boundary lines before. But I've not had an issue I can think of right now where I have had too much of an issue getting things I needed done in a timely manner. Personality and having a good relationship with the people I work with helps. I've gotten jumped on for crossing craft boundaries about 6 months or so with a guy and as soon as he said his piece, it was over. We ended up working well and finished up the outage and he gradually relaxed some of his restrictions on crossing boundaries towards the end of the outage. But the important part for me was that he didn't slow down the pace of work and was always there to assist when I needed him. I wouldn't mind working with him or his crew again in the future.

On the management side there are the bonuses that not infrequently lead to blunders just to meet deadlines or costs. There that old saying about "There not being enough time or funding to do it right, but there's always time and money to fix the screwup." I still think the undeserved executive salaries drive much of the animosity that unions hold.

Really? You think so? LOL...

 

[turbovol]

We don't really agree on the main cause of the problem. Your kneejerk is to blame labor/wages. My point is that due to money printing and failed leadership in this country, there wouldn't be much justification for workers wanting/needing higher wages because they would have more stable purchasing power.

Again, you said it yourself in an earlier post when you spoke about your very own experience coming out of college. Purchasing power and standard of living is going down. That isn't the fault of the workers.

Also, for the most part, American goods are not competing with other products in foreign markets because we mostly don't make enough here at home to export. We mainly produce for domestic consumption. That is why we have a trade imbalance. Companies offshored excess production overseas and now serve those foreign markets with overseas production.

And again, we need to protect our own domestic industrial base (what little bit of it that is left), and don't concern ourselves too much with this failed globalist market idea. We need to circle the wagons and focus on domestic production and serving our own needs here at home.

Imports are what keep prices down in this country. If we stopped importing products from developing countries and just produced domestically, prices would be signifcantly higher, partly because wages would have to be higher. Purchasing power has gone down because of static wages for decades. Inflation hadn't been a problem for many years until the recent, Covid-driven price surge.

 

[turbovol]

with 179K employers that equates to about $400 employee. Fetter man is a dumbass..looks like a ****ing slob as well.

I'll bet he looks better than you. You should seek help for your redneck anger issue....

 

[turbovol]

IMO retail jobs should be a starter job and not a career. Get a useful degree or trade while working that retail job.

Retail workers have to work nights and weekends, often. Not so easy to get a degree while working full-time. They've also
been abused by their employers for decades.

 

[turbovol]

Learn a skill that demands higher pay.

I know for a fact that Buc-ees in Sevierville pays $20+ an hour and they still have trouble filling jobs, people calling in sick, etc.

If you want higher paying jobs, quit trying to kill industry in this country. That's where the blue collar class could make a decent living.

You're misguided (as usual) if you think workers are killing industries in America. U.S. executive compensation is a much bigger problem than wages--which have been crappy for decades.

 

[turbovol]

Or maybe if you understood the term “real wages” you would understand that is determined as it relates to inflation. Since 2000, the dollar has lost about 40% of its value. What’s one of the biggest drivers of inflation and the erosion of the dollar? Debt. So, talk to your politicians and your presidents (all of them since Clinton) first about their hand in the destruction of purchasing power and real wages. The lazy argument is blaming it on all capitalism and businesses. But you keep rooting for that next debt ceiling increase instead of bringing any sanity to the unconscionable, runaway spending in DC that’s smoking the middle class.

Inflation hadn't been a problem in many years prior to Covid. American wages have been crap for decades--fact. Period.

 

[Godfatha]

You're misguided (as usual) if you think workers are killing industries in America. U.S. executive compensation is a much bigger problem than wages--which have been crappy for decades.

Where did I say workers are killing industries? I didn’t. Government regulation and taxes are killing industry. Now the UAW is certainly not helping their industry with their demands in a global marketplace.

 

[Zues1]

Asking for a 40% pay increase.
Talk about killing the industry, push that through and see your pink slip in two years.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Imports are what keep prices down in this country. If we stopped importing products from developing countries and just produced domestically, prices would be signifcantly higher, partly because wages would have to be higher.

Yep

Purchasing power has gone down because of static wages for decades. Inflation hadn't been a problem for many years until the recent, Covid-driven price surge.

Inflation has been here for a while, only we hadn't seen it on the grocery store shelves. The inflation was hidden in places like the stock market, college tuition prices and real estate/housing. COVID is what brought on all of the retail inflation because of the direct injections of money into consumers' hands and the paying of people to sit at home and be non-productive.

 

[hog88]

Retail workers have to work nights and weekends, often. Not so easy to get a degree while working full-time. They've also
been abused by their employers for decades.

Thousands upon thousands have done it.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I'll bet he looks better than you. You should seek help for your redneck anger issue....

So you are riding Fetterman’s tip now?

 

[LouderVol]

Imports are what keep prices down in this country. If we stopped importing products from developing countries and just produced domestically, prices would be signifcantly higher, partly because wages would have to be higher. Purchasing power has gone down because of static wages for decades. Inflation hadn't been a problem for many years until the recent, Covid-driven price surge.

it wasn't Covid. It was the government's reactions to Covid that made the issue as bad as it is. and we were saying it from the start of Covid too, it was just ignored.

Covid itself, with people being actually sick, was probably responsible for less than half of issues we are seeing. I would argue it was a lot less than 50%, maybe 10%.

IMO 90% was the government shut downs, pushing vaccine mandates with people leaving jobs from that, you had entire supply lines shut down by the government simply because they weren't essential, essential like the Hollywood movie studios..... The government was far too dumb to understand that essential businesses rely on non-essential businesses. Throwing around trillions of dollars of free money encouraged more people to not work.

 

[Orangeburst]

I'll bet he looks better than you. You should seek help for your redneck anger issue....

He is a pig.

 

[hog88]

He is a pig.

And?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

And?

He can barely speak English.

 

[hog88]

He can barely speak English.

I was giving OB the opportunity to retract his insult to pigs.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I was giving OB the opportunity to retract his insult to pigs.

Ole bursty needs all of the help he can get.

 

[BreatheUT]

Fetterman = average looking democrat beta male (elitest living in moms basement, slew footed, sloped caveman forehead, igorian posture with 70's box style porn stache)

with 179K employers that equates to about $400 employee. Fetter man is a dumbass..looks like a ****ing slob as well.

 

[Orangeburst]

Fetterman = average looking democrat beta male (elitest living in moms basement, slew footed, sloped caveman forehead, igorian posture with 70's box style porn stache)

Watch it or turbo will say better than you..

 

[PEPPERJAX]

 

[BreatheUT]

Actually that's who I was thinking of when I described Fetterman.

Watch it or turbo will say better than you..

 

[GroverCleveland]

Thousands upon thousands have done it.

I would say millions have. When I went through, most of us had jobs.

 

[GroverCleveland]

He can barely speak English.

Well, he speaks English words, but I would not go so far as to say sentences.