UAW On Strike

Do you have even a BASIC understanding of economics? I bet you were the only student in your 6th grade class who had to shave.

Which economics are you referring to, Earl?

This economics, from the Pew Research Institute:

For most U.S. workers, real wages have barely budged in decades​

By Drew DeSilver



On the face of it, these should be heady times for American workers. U.S. unemployment is as low as it’s been in nearly two decades (3.9% as of July) and the nation’s private-sector employers have been adding jobs for 101 straight months – 19.5 million since the Great Recession-related cuts finally abated in early 2010, and 1.5 million just since the beginning of the year.
But despite the strong labor market, wage growth has lagged economists’ expectations. In fact, despite some ups and downs over the past several decades, today’s real average wage (that is, the wage after accounting for inflation) has about the same purchasing power it did 40 years ago. And what wage gains there have been have mostly flowed to the highest-paid tier of workers.

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Or This Economics?

How much have wages gone up in the last 50 years?

A startling fact is that average real wages have grown by only 0.7 percent over the half century beginning in February 1973. In February 2022 dollars, wages have grown over this period by $0.18.Jun 27, 2022

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OR MAYBE THIS ECONOMICS, from the Economics Policy Institute:

The cost of inequality to middle-class households​


The cost of unequal growth to middle-income households​


This figure shows that the stakes of rising inequality for the broad American middle class are enormous. The figure compares the income growth of the middle three-fifths of American households since 1979 to their income growth had there been no growth in inequality. In 2007, the last year before the Great Recession, the average income of the middle 60 percent of American households was $76,443. It would have been $94,310, roughly 23 percent (nearly $18,000) higher had inequality not widened (i.e., had their incomes grown at the overall average rate—an overall average buoyed by stratospheric growth at the very top). The temporary dip in top incomes during the Great Recession did little to shrink that inequality tax, which stood at 16 percent (nearly $12,000) in 2011.

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Or How About This Economics, from the World Economic Forum:


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Or How About this Economics Nugget, also from the non-partisan Pew Research Institute:

The middle class, once the economic stratum of a clear majority of American adults, has steadily contracted in the past five decades. The share of adults who live in middle-class households fell from 61% in 1971 to 50% in 2021, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of government data.

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OR MAYBE YOU ARE THINKING OF WAL-MART ECONOMICS: YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMICS OF A COMPANY THAT GREW HUGE SELLING CHEAP, CHINESE-MADE MERCHANDISE TO AMERICANS WHO /NEEDED/ TO BUY CHEAP PRODUCTS BECAUSE THEIR WAGES WERE CRAP, AND WHOSE OWNERS BECAME BILLIONAIRES ON THE BACKS OF NOTORIOUSLY BADLY PAID WORKERS WITH LOUSY BENEFITS. The Wal-Mart Economy.


IF YOU /ACTUALLY/ KNEW ANYTHING, EARL, YOU'D KNOW THAT WAGES IN AMERICA BARELY GREW FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS, STARTING IN THE MID/LATE 1980s, when cutthroat/stock-price capitalism began to emerge. which is precisely why the U.S. middle class has shrunk and why American are poorer, in terms of purchasing power, than they were 40 years ago.

Thanks for playing, Earl.
 
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Which economics are you referring to, Earl?

This economics, from the Pew Research Institute:

For most U.S. workers, real wages have barely budged in decades​

By Drew DeSilver



On the face of it, these should be heady times for American workers. U.S. unemployment is as low as it’s been in nearly two decades (3.9% as of July) and the nation’s private-sector employers have been adding jobs for 101 straight months – 19.5 million since the Great Recession-related cuts finally abated in early 2010, and 1.5 million just since the beginning of the year.
But despite the strong labor market, wage growth has lagged economists’ expectations. In fact, despite some ups and downs over the past several decades, today’s real average wage (that is, the wage after accounting for inflation) has about the same purchasing power it did 40 years ago. And what wage gains there have been have mostly flowed to the highest-paid tier of workers.

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Or This Economics?

How much have wages gone up in the last 50 years?

A startling fact is that average real wages have grown by only 0.7 percent over the half century beginning in February 1973. In February 2022 dollars, wages have grown over this period by $0.18.Jun 27, 2022

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OR MAYBE THIS ECONOMICS, from the Economics Policy Institute:

The cost of inequality to middle-class households​


The cost of unequal growth to middle-income households​


This figure shows that the stakes of rising inequality for the broad American middle class are enormous. The figure compares the income growth of the middle three-fifths of American households since 1979 to their income growth had there been no growth in inequality. In 2007, the last year before the Great Recession, the average income of the middle 60 percent of American households was $76,443. It would have been $94,310, roughly 23 percent (nearly $18,000) higher had inequality not widened (i.e., had their incomes grown at the overall average rate—an overall average buoyed by stratospheric growth at the very top). The temporary dip in top incomes during the Great Recession did little to shrink that inequality tax, which stood at 16 percent (nearly $12,000) in 2011.

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Or How About This Economics, from the World Economic Forum:


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Or How About this Economics Nugget, also from the non-partisan Pew Research Institute:

The middle class, once the economic stratum of a clear majority of American adults, has steadily contracted in the past five decades. The share of adults who live in middle-class households fell from 61% in 1971 to 50% in 2021, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of government data.

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OR MAYBE YOU ARE THINKING OF WAL-MART ECONOMICS: YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMICS OF A COMPANY THAT GREW HUGE SELLING CHEAP, CHINESE-MADE MERCHANDISE TO AMERICANS WHO /NEEDED/ TO BUY CHEAP PRODUCTS BECAUSE THEIR WAGES WERE CRAP, AND WHOSE OWNERS BECAME BILLIONAIRES ON THE BACKS OF NOTORIOUSLY BADLY PAID WORKERS WITH LOUSY BENEFITS. The Wal-Mart Economy.


IF YOU /ACTUALLY/ KNEW ANYTHING, EARL, YOU'D KNOW THAT WAGES IN AMERICA BARELY GREW FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS, STARTING IN THE MID/LATE 1980s, when cutthroat/stock-price capitalism began to emerge. which is precisely why the U.S. middle class has shrunk and why American are poorer, in terms of purchasing power, than they were 40 years ago.

Thanks for playing, Earl.
Good job on the Copy & Paste, Cletus. My 6 year old granddaughter knows how to do that too. Sounds like you support Socialism? I hear Venezuela is lovely this time of year. Before you move though, be sure to cast your mail-in ballot for Joe & Kamala. Please log-in to VolNation from time to time and let us know how Venezuela is....we understand you may have sporadic internet connections but at least everyone is the same. Goodbye Cletus. Bon Voyage.
 
This isn't completely true as a stand alone. Government shares a much bigger share of that charge. Unions have increased QOL and standards of living of workers over the decades, but the double edged sword because overseas labor is cheaper. I know it isn't popular here, but we should want to raise the foreign QOL and SOL rather than drop ours. How do we do that?

You force Apple to stop building their iPhones in slave states like China. How do you do that? Tax the dog **** out of every iPhone that comes out of China until they move to another place.

Fire away.

Japan is an example of exactly how that works. From some time in the '50s, a lot of stuff said "Made in Japan" rather than China. When I was doing some work in Japan in the later part of the '70s, the Japanese standard of living was very much advanced. In the time I worked there between 1976 - 79 the exchange rate lost something over 100 yen/dollar. Now with the Japanese currency strong, a high quality and standard of living, and competition from places like China, you just don't see much Japanese manufactured goods here - with the exception of cars. Good Japanese audio equipment for the Japanese domestic market is still manufactured in Japan, but for our market it will come from China.
 
OR MAYBE YOU ARE THINKING OF WAL-MART ECONOMICS: YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMICS OF A COMPANY THAT GREW HUGE SELLING CHEAP, CHINESE-MADE MERCHANDISE TO AMERICANS WHO /NEEDED/ TO BUY CHEAP PRODUCTS BECAUSE THEIR WAGES WERE CRAP, AND WHOSE OWNERS BECAME BILLIONAIRES ON THE BACKS OF NOTORIOUSLY BADLY PAID WORKERS WITH LOUSY BENEFITS. The Wal-Mart Economy.


IF YOU /ACTUALLY/ KNEW ANYTHING, EARL, YOU'D KNOW THAT WAGES IN AMERICA BARELY GREW FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS, STARTING IN THE MID/LATE 1980s, when cutthroat/stock-price capitalism began to emerge. which is precisely why the U.S. middle class has shrunk and why American are poorer, in terms of purchasing power, than they were 40 years ago.

Thanks for playing, Earl.

So Walmart made everyone’s real wages (the value of their salary) go up by giving them low cost goods, and you’re upset about that?

If you knew anything you’d realize that any growth in real wages is amazing and wonderful. It means that every decade the people living today are better off than the people before them. Given how well off Americans have been for decades, that’s amazing, and it’s only getting better.
 
Japan is an example of exactly how that works. From some time in the '50s, a lot of stuff said "Made in Japan" rather than China. When I was doing some work in Japan in the later part of the '70s, the Japanese standard of living was very much advanced. In the time I worked there between 1976 - 79 the exchange rate lost something over 100 yen/dollar. Now with the Japanese currency strong, a high quality and standard of living, and competition from places like China, you just don't see much Japanese manufactured goods here - with the exception of cars. Good Japanese audio equipment for the Japanese domestic market is still manufactured in Japan, but for our market it will come from China.
My 240Z was awesome... until it rusted away
 
If you believe Walmart is so bad to their employees, then why do they work their?
turdodore wants to control the means of production rather than rely on the content of your character in accordance with marxist principles
 
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Unions have destroyed this country!
If there were 10 things that can be blamed for the destruction of this country, unions would be #12-15 on that list. The Federal Reserve money printing, break up of the traditional nuclear family, LGBTQ, open borders, never-ending wars, destruction of our industrial base by outsourcing, destruction of our industrial base by switching to a service base economy, COVID lockdowns, fascism/corporatism, pizz poor govt leadership on all levels, pizz poor leadership in the private sector, pizz poor leadership in education system, pizz poor leadership among the religious (Christian 501(c)(3) churches)...

The UAW and teacher's unions are bad, but the teachers unions could be nullified in the red states if they leadership there actually wanted to nip them in the bud. The UAW only affects one sector of the economy, and even then, we still have other automakers in the US that don't have these same UAW problems.
 
Good job on the Copy & Paste, Cletus. My 6 year old granddaughter knows how to do that too. Sounds like you support Socialism? I hear Venezuela is lovely this time of year. Before you move though, be sure to cast your mail-in ballot for Joe & Kamala. Please log-in to VolNation from time to time and let us know how Venezuela is....we understand you may have sporadic internet connections but at least everyone is the same. Goodbye Cletus. Bon Voyage.
I don't think the take away from that can be placed on socialism. I think it goes to diminishing buying power and wages not keeping pace with inflation due to money printing by the Federal Reserve.
 
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I don't think the take away from that can be placed on socialism. I think it goes to diminishing buying power and wages not keeping place with inflation due to money printing by the Federal Reserve.
Company X raises wages to employees. Company X then raises prices of widgets to offset the pay raise....BELIEVE IT OR NOT companies are in business to make a PROFIT. Repeat this scenario across multiple business types across the country....your buying power is no better.
 
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Yea, go to the South where workers are HAPPY to work for lousy pay and bennies. We all know where Wal-Mart--the king of stiffing workers---got its start.
You truly are clueless. 75% of all Walmart assistant managers are former hourly team members. That job pays on average over $60k per year. A store manager makes around $100k in GA. Truly successful store manager can make $200k. So if you are just competent, engaged, good at your job, and trustworthy you can be a cashier and make quite a career.
 
Company X raises wages to employees. Company X then raises prices of widgets to offset the pay raise....BELIEVE IT OR NOT companies are in business to make a PROFIT. Repeat this scenario across multiple business types across the country....your buying power is no better.
Why single out wages when we are living in an environment of galloping inflation caused by COVID counterfeiting and rising energy prices? The worker is having to deal with diminishing buying power and higher energy costs, as well.

Look, I'm no fan of the UAW. But wages in this country have been stagnant since the late-1970s/early 1980s.
 
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Why single out wages when we are living in an environment of galloping inflation caused by COVID counterfeiting and rising energy prices? The worker is having to deal with diminishing buying power and higher energy costs, as well.

Look, I'm no fan of the UAW. But wages in this country have been stagnant since the late-1970s/early 1980s.

The dog chasing his tail makes himself dizzy. All the pieces of the economy spinning around and trying to get ahead makes for inflation. There's a simple correlation there. The dog and the individual components that make up the economic system are addicted to running in destructive circles.
 
The dog chasing his tail makes himself dizzy. All the pieces of the economy spinning around and trying to get ahead makes for inflation. There's a simple correlation there. The dog and the individual components that make up the economic system are addicted to running in destructive circles.
The worker/wage earner isn't the problem the majority of the time (UAW being the exception to the rule). Again, you guys love picking on the workers but ignore the decisions made by others.
 
The worker/wage earner isn't the problem the majority of the time (UAW being the exception to the rule). Again, you guys love picking on the workers but ignore the decisions made by others.

A business making a product has to account for all the costs going into the product; that includes materials, labor, and other costs such as energy. If they don't raise the price to cover any escalating costs, they go out of business eventually. That's pretty simple. The cycle could be closed and fixed IF it were just a matter of the worker wanting more and the company facing increased labor costs. You are right that government interference causes problems whether it's direct financial meddling (spending or redistributing income through tax and spending), screwing with taxes, or driving costs with regulations. However, when you have a wildcard like energy cost in the equation, it screws the whole deal by penalizing both the consumer/worker and industry ... and the other necessary bits like shipping.

Trying to fix the problem with wage increases is simply inflationary - a process that is wasteful and going nowhere. The worst part with that plan is it rewards government incompetency and meddling through increased tax revenue (at least in the short run). There is no good answer, but what unions are doing isn't even like keeping pace; rather it's like trying to get ahead, and it's destructive. If you play the game with a world market, you are going to get screwed. We did, and we are. US labor has simply priced the country out of business on the world market, and a country without a solid worker/consumer base is going to crash and burn. No industry = no worker = no consumer = no industry = dead.
 
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A business making a product has to account for all the costs going into the product; that includes materials, labor, and other costs such as energy. If they don't raise the price to cover any escalating costs, they go out of business eventually. That's pretty simple.
No one is arguing that. Anyone with common sense knows you have to weigh all of the costs. All I'm saying is that wages are (usually) the easiest thing to go after and the wage earners are (usually) the most vilified for having the audacity to want more money. Meanwhile, as you (and I) have clearly stated, there are other factors that are just as much of a factor or more of a factor than just wages. Again, the money doesn't go as far today as it did when you were sock hopping. Energy costs, taxes/regulations, inflationary money policy, supply chain issues... all that plays a part. But the attacks on wage earners is disproportionate and gets ridiculous at times..
 
Trying to fix the problem with wage increases is simply inflationary - a process that is wasteful and going nowhere. The worst part with that plan is it rewards government incompetency and meddling through increased tax revenue (at least in the short run). There is no good answer, but what unions are doing isn't even like keeping pace; rather it's like trying to get ahead, and it's destructive. If you play the game with a world market, you are going to get screwed. We did, and we are. US labor has simply priced the country out of business on the world market, and a country without a solid worker/consumer base is going to crash and burn. No industry = no worker = no consumer = no industry = dead.
Wage earners/labor did not start the inflationary fire we are seeing right now.

And why are you disproportionately blaming unions for what is going on right now (UAW aside)? The overwhelming majority of the workforce in America today is non-union.

And lastly, your rant about American workers pricing themselves out of the market misses the boat completely. The issue is diminishing purchasing power, and the wage earners have been loosing purchasing power for 4 decades. It isn't the workers that eroded the purchasing power (which motivates them to push for more money)... it is bankers and bureaucrats and pseudo-altruists that we call politicians that have helped to do that.
 

“I just wanted to pass on a question based on something [the UAW president] told me the other day which is that over the last four years, each of the Big Three car manufacturers’ CEOs, in addition to their multimillion dollar salaries, they received on average a 40% pay increase,” Tapper said during the interview.

"We will not let the EV industry be built on the backs of workers making poverty wages while CEOs line their pockets with government subsidies," UAW President Shawn Fain wrote in an op-ed.

Blame the rich. Check

Not getting their fair share of the government pie. Check

In the end the workers will get a raise and a raise in union dues. Lining the pockets of UAW executives. Was the plan from the start.
 
I'm not saying they should get paid for forty hours while only working 32. I'm just saying that if they get a 40% hourly increase that they only get paid for what they work. And over time won't kick in until a higher minimum had been met. I guarantee to they would be more productive in the long run. So... settle for a 35 hour work week, overtime doesn't apply until 45. They will work 12+% more before ever seeing $.01 in overtime pay which i'll bet is what they really want. Their net raises would be far less than the 40% being advertised.

I don't know how long it had been since they had a pay raise, but I know that the hourly increases that airline pilots are getting are touted as being enormous, but they fall short of inflation. Throw in Bidenomics and the equations are all askew
No chance the FLSA will be amended to exclude auto workers.
 
Why are you CC nuts advocating for the employees that produce vehicles that use dirty fuel?
With California suing the oil industry for knowing about the effect of their product on the environment, should the unions and companies that know the same not also be held accountable?
The car companies and unions should be sued.
 
Why are you CC nuts advocating for the employees that produce vehicles that use dirty fuel?
With California suing the oil industry for knowing about the effect of their product on the environment, should the unions and companies that know the same not also be held accountable?
The car companies and unions should be sued.
My gawd... see, this is why the UAW is the worst. On the one hand, it is very clear to me that many of you have a true disdain for workers making more money. But on the other hand, the UAW makes it so hard to defend these particular workers because of the tactics and entitlement issues they have. Instead of painting all workers with a broad brush, is it maybe possible for you guys to sort the wheat from the chaff?
 
You truly are clueless. 75% of all Walmart assistant managers are former hourly team members. That job pays on average over $60k per year. A store manager makes around $100k in GA. Truly successful store manager can make $200k. So if you are just competent, engaged, good at your job, and trustworthy you can be a cashier and make quite a career.

Wal Mart cashiers are as rare as hen's teeth now.
 
My gawd... see, this is why the UAW is the worst. On the one hand, it is very clear to me that many of you have a true disdain for workers making more money. But on the other hand, the UAW makes it so hard to defend these particular workers because of the tactics and entitlement issues they have. Instead of painting all workers with a broad brush, is it maybe possible for you guys to sort the wheat from the chaff?

These are Democrat employees and unions that support politicians that advocate the elimination of the very product they manufacture. There is no wheat there. I call it stupidity of the highest magnitude.
 

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