Uconn gets no postseason ban - Good news for TN and Bruce

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Volstylexx

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So Uconn's Jim Calhoun gets hit with "failing to create an atmosphere of compliance" after having 8 (yes eight) MAJOR violations.... and gets no postseason ban.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6146656

No way Bruce Pearl and TN gets the postseason ban so many of you here have indicated. Minor violations and lying about it does not equal 8 major violations. Even if Bruce gets hit with "failing to create an atmosphere of compliance" there can't be a double standard applied. The Ncaa will have to follow the same punishment lines handed to Uconn. The NCAA knows Uconn and Calhoun lied... have to give Bruce some credit, at least he came clean about it - unlike Calhoun.

Just my opinion.. i'm sure there are many others who differ. :hi:
 
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I still think that if a player can get a year ban for lying to the NCAA, a coach will as well.
 
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When did Calhoun ever get caught in a conspiracy to lie? That's the huge difference. I don't know how we can draw a legitimate comparison between the two cases.
 
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Nothing in the report indicates that Calhoun lied. He was not charged with lying to investigators. Major difference.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I still think that if a player can get a year ban for lying to the NCAA, a coach will as well.
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The difference is that Bruce came clean about it. The NCAA will be setting a dangerous precident if they slam the hammer too hard on Bruce and TN.. They will essentially be telling the country.. if you make a mistake and hide it... and continue to deny it, we'll slap you on the wrist (UCONN)....

if you make a mistake, hide it, and come clean about it - we'll ban your coach for a year, and hit you with postseason bans.

If that happens, the NCAA can expect to have every other program under investigation in the future to simply continue to deny wrongdoing. There has to be credit given to Pearl for coming clean.
 
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Since when has the 'AA been known for its consistency?

And if they somehow choose to be in our case.....you may do well to forego a comparison to Calhoun, and use Dez Bryant, instead.
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Volstylexx said:
The difference is that Bruce came clean about it. The NCAA will be setting a dangerous precident if they slam the hammer too hard on Bruce and TN.. They will essentially be telling the country.. if you make a mistake and hide it... and continue to deny it, we'll slap you on the wrist (UCONN)....

if you make a mistake, hide it, and come clean about it - we'll ban your coach for a year, and hit you with postseason bans.

If that happens, the NCAA can expect to have every other program under investigation in the future to simply continue to deny wrongdoing. There has to be credit given to Pearl for coming clean.
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Or maybe they lay the hammer down to set the precedent to not lie to them ever, ever, ever.
 
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BearCat204 said:
#1, two totally different situations
#2, even if it were the same exact situation, when has the AA ever followed the same punishment lines?
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You're right - two different situations entirely... that's my point.. UCONN committed 8 major violations.. TN committed how many major violations? NONE.

We simply lied about the minor ones that were committed.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Nothing in the report indicates that Calhoun lied. He was not charged with lying to investigators. Major difference.
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True. BUT- even if the lying is considered a 'major' violation, that is ONE major. UConn had 8!

While there is the possibility of the BasketVols getting shafted, this does seem to be pretty good news.
 
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Volstylexx said:
You're right - two different situations entirely... that's my point.. UCONN committed 8 major violations.. TN committed how many major violations? NONE.

We simply lied about the minor ones that were committed.
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The problem is that due to the attempted cover up and denials about it, those minor ones are magnified tenfold
 
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Also, one key thing to remember in that situation. Three assistants were cited for providing false and misleading conduct to the NCAA. They all now have 1 thing in common: they're no longer employed at UCONN.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Your definition of "coming clean" and the actual meaning of the phrase are completely different. You dont "come clean" after you are caught.
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Maybe not "come clean" but you can still deny wrongdoing till the end (see Calhoun and UCONN). I still think that Bruce deserves some credit for admitting fault.
 
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Volstylexx said:
You're right - two different situations entirely... that's my point.. UCONN committed 8 major violations.. TN committed how many major violations? NONE.

We simply lied about the minor ones that were committed.
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You are aware that lying to the NCAA is a major violation?
 
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LawVol13 said:
Also, one key thing to remember in that situation. Three assistants were cited for providing false and misleading conduct to the NCAA. They all now have 1 thing in common: they're no longer employed at UCONN.
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Details, schemetails.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Maybe not "come clean" but you can still deny wrongdoing till the end (see Calhoun and UCONN). I still think that Bruce deserves some credit for admitting fault.
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I respect your opinion, but in mine Bruce only deserves the credit for lying to the AA and attempting to have the families lie about it as well.
 
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Volstylexx said:
ok, so 8 major violations to 1.
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They may not hit our program with a post-season ban, but in no way is that situation "good for Bruce." All of the people caught lying to the NCAA have since resigned, presumably because they were forced to do so. If anything, it makes it look even more likely that Bruce will suffer the same fate.
 
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I always think back to when I was a kid/teenager and how I never got in nearly as much trouble when I did something really bad and fessed up quickly versus when I tried to lie and cover my tracks on something I thought I could get away with easily....
 
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tigervol9802 said:
I always think back to when I was a kid/teenager and how I never got in nearly as much trouble when I did something really bad and fessed up quickly versus when I tried to lie and cover my tracks on something I thought I could get away with easily....
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But... But... You fessed up, eventually...
 
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Volstylexx said:
The difference is that Bruce came clean about it. The NCAA will be setting a dangerous precident if they slam the hammer too hard on Bruce and TN.. They will essentially be telling the country.. if you make a mistake and hide it... and continue to deny it, we'll slap you on the wrist (UCONN)....

if you make a mistake, hide it, and come clean about it - we'll ban your coach for a year, and hit you with postseason bans.

If that happens, the NCAA can expect to have every other program under investigation in the future to simply continue to deny wrongdoing. There has to be credit given to Pearl for coming clean.
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To use your "logic" in another setting, imagine hearing someone say that a bank robber who leads police on a 10-mile high-speed chase, flips his car and is subsequently dragged from the wreckage as having "peaceably surrendered" once he was cuffed, in the back of the cruiser.

The 'AA may buy his later admission, and they may see this as a mitigating factor in making their decision as to penalties - I don't know - but to actually believe that his later recantation of the lie was a matter of conscience is foolishly naive. I doubt that's lost on them, but it's possible, I suppose.
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