Uconn gets no postseason ban - Good news for TN and Bruce

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hohenfelsvol said:
Really? Reread your post. Don't care if it was 1 or 8. He mislead and the key word in your post and level of violation is major. I.e, If you kill 1 person or 8, you're still a murderer.
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My point here is simple really - I don't think the sanctions will be as harsh as people think. I hope I'm right. Our opinions on that may differ, But in the end regardless - TN will be just fine.
 
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Volstylexx said:
My point here is simple really - I don't think the sanctions will be as harsh as people think. I hope I'm right. Our opinions on that may differ, But in the end regardless - TN will be just fine.
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I hope too but the fact is is Bruce is guilty as hell. We'll see though.
 
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Volstylexx said:
My point here is simple really - I don't think the sanctions will be as harsh as people think. I hope I'm right. Our opinions on that may differ, But in the end regardless - TN will be just fine.
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The sanctions may not be that bad for the program. But, it doesn't look good for the coach.
 
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Regarding Bruce getting a one-year suspension...He did. He lied about an off-campus recruiting incident, and he received a one-year off-campus recruiting suspension.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Also, one key thing to remember in that situation. Three assistants were cited for providing false and misleading conduct to the NCAA. They all now have 1 thing in common: they're no longer employed at UCONN.
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Maybe this a good sign for our football program?
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You can't compare the Bryant case and the Pearl situation on the punishment even if they both did lie. One is a player where you have only one cause of action which is suspend him from games. Two get it correct if you are going to use the Bryant case. He was not suspended for a year. Bryant was ruled ineligible for the rest of the 2009 season on October 7 for violating an NCAA bylaw. He played 4 or 5 games. You can however penalize a coach many different ways, as the university has done. I don't know what the penalty should be for lying to the NCAA from the way things are going neither does the NCAA; but you can't compare "actions" between Bryant and Pearl and get the answer.
 
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#36
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It's easy to pick out the people who only care about Tennessee football.
 
#37
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If I get pulled over for speeding and lie to the policeman about my speed, I will not get the same penalty as a bank robber who pleads guilty.

That said, I think it's terrible that he apparently talked to the parents about lying. I consider that a major violation.

I hope the NCAA, if they do anything, gives us a 1-2 scholarship reduction, and that's it. But, a one-year off-campus recruiting ban, to me, is a major punishment that is hurting the program. It seems like everyone dismisses that as some minor thing handed down by the school and is now asking what Bruce and the program will really get hit with.
 
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Don't be foolish and pretend coaching staffs and head coaches don't know what's going on. 'I don't wanna know' to coaches and assts who feed info, or 'I had no idea' are lies and are told to the NCAA in almost every investigation. BP and UT will be punished more over the bbq conspiracy than Calhoun and UConn will be even though Calhoun lied and the infractions were much more serious. Common sense in this country is in dire straits. BP the head offender with this whole deal.
 
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Perhaps the NCAA will be able to wrap up their investigation sometime prior to next season, unless this is a SC matter and we will finally know where we stand in this mess.
 
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ukvols said:
But, a one-year off-campus recruiting ban, to me, is a major punishment that is hurting the program. It seems like everyone dismisses that as some minor thing handed down by the school and is now asking what Bruce and the program will really get hit with.
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I agree. I think most on here down play that self-imposed punishment. I think if we did nothing, we could be looking at big penalties but we already punished the basketball program quite a bit and I think (or hope) the NCAA will heavily consider what has already been done.
 
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Volstylexx said:
So Uconn's Jim Calhoun gets hit with "failing to create an atmosphere of compliance" after having 8 (yes eight) MAJOR violations.... and gets no postseason ban.

NCAA committee bans Jim Calhoun of Connecticut Huskies from three Big East games - ESPN

No way Bruce Pearl and TN gets the postseason ban so many of you here have indicated. Minor violations and lying about it does not equal 8 major violations. Even if Bruce gets hit with "failing to create an atmosphere of compliance" there can't be a double standard applied. The Ncaa will have to follow the same punishment lines handed to Uconn. The NCAA knows Uconn and Calhoun lied... have to give Bruce some credit, at least he came clean about it - unlike Calhoun.

Just my opinion.. i'm sure there are many others who differ. :hi:
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UConn is major BBall school, UT is not. We are screwed! :banghead2:
 
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phowell23 said:
I agree. I think most on here down play that self-imposed punishment. I think if we did nothing, we could be looking at big penalties but we already punished the basketball program quite a bit and I think (or hope) the NCAA will heavily consider what has already been done.
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BUUUUTTTTT we didn't fire the head coach that did it...
 
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Clay Travis just announced that his sources within the ncaa tell him the letter left today. My question is why can't UT get an email copy while they wait? Have they already? They have only said, they haven't received 'the letter'. An email is not a letter.
 
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phowell23 said:
I agree. I think most on here down play that self-imposed punishment. I think if we did nothing, we could be looking at big penalties but we already punished the basketball program quite a bit and I think (or hope) the NCAA will heavily consider what has already been done.
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How so?
 
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JZVOL said:
How so?
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Bruce Pearl and Tony Jones both were barred from recruiting off campus for one year. I am pretty sure Steve Forbes was barred for nine months. Jason Shay only got a three-month ban and is now back on the road recruiting.

Suspending the head coach and top assistant from all off-campus recruiting activities for one year, to me, is a major punishment. They cannot attend any games to evaluate propects. They cannot visit any players' homes or schools. That's a major punishment that a lot of people are either unaware of or are seriously downplaying. People keep talking about Bruce getting a one-year suspension because of Dez Bryant. Well, there it is. He lied about an off-campus recruiting matter and was pulled from off-campus recruiting for one year. The NCAA may decide to hold Bruce to a higher standard than a player, since he is a head coach, but it's not like the school just slapped the program on the wrist.
 
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I am pretty sure UT also reduced the amount of official visits UT can hold. I know they at least restricted them. I believe UT couldn't host any basketball recruits during Florida football weekend. I can't remember the other official visits restrictions without looking them up.
 
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The recruiting certainly hurts, but reducing his pay was a joke that does not hurt the program.

It is widely known/speculated/thought that Slive suspended Pearl to "help" UT because the NCAA viewed the penalties as very lax.

Clearly Slive didn't feel UT did near enough so I highly doubt the NCAA will.
 
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I agree that the pay reduction probably won't be considered much by the NCAA. If anything, the school is getting a financial break with that punishment.

I do not see how what UT did can be considered "very lax" though, but I guess we'll see.
 
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ukvols said:
I agree that the pay reduction probably won't be considered much by the NCAA. If anything, the school is getting a financial break with that punishment.

I do not see how what UT did can be considered "very lax" though, but I guess we'll see.
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I've thought from the beginning that if UT was really dedicated to keeping Pearl, they would have just suspended him for this entire year. That's the kind of punishment the 'AA is looking for.
 
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