UConn Series

[volcrazy89]

Dumb post is dumb.

The reasons for Pat cancelling the series have been talked about on UT message boards for several years. Many LV fans, for whatever reasons, have chosen to ignore those reasons and act as if it's made up -- as if they themselves have any sources of information regarding the whole thing. Yes, the main reason was because he cheated to get Maya, and the cheating went far beyond any ESPN tour.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Shouldnt we be happy that the Lady Vols dont have to play UConn?

 

[CannonVol80]

Thanks. That is interesting. Until one of the two (or a confidante) lays out the real reason, then we're in the dark.

So, what I'm hearing here is that something along the lines of the rumor may have some reality behind it, but the parties and the ADs are keeping everyone in the dark @ it.

I must say, that something sensitive took place and nobody wants to talk about it. That's why I'm thinking that the rumor has legitimacy. It makes sense from way things have been handled publically.

And, no (whoever said it) this story is not dead. It's just ran it's course dead ending in a UTAD/UCAD info blockade. As long as this stands, all manner of rumors will continue.

Thanks again for sharing.

Actually, that is not what you are hearing. Although one other poster in this thread seems to have been drinking at the same trough that you are, the majority of the other posters have told you either that your information is incorrect or that your pathetic attempt to "fan the flames" needs to end.

While I could tell you the limited information that I received from some insiders at the time, there is absolutely no reason to continue to beat this dead horse! Nothing that can be said on this message board is going to change a single opinion. Geno supporters are going to be Geno supporters and Pat supporters are going to be Pat supporters.

The thing that I find most comical about your initial post is that you complain that the UT WAD is withholding information crucial to the understanding of the situation and then go on to make statements of "fact" about the underlying situation that purportedly came, albeit third or fourth hand, from "insiders".

Surely you have something better to do with your time?

Jim

 

[reno tony]

Dumb post is dumb.

The reasons for Pat cancelling the series have been talked about on UT message boards for several years. Many LV fans, for whatever reasons, have chosen to ignore those reasons and act as if it's made up -- as if they themselves have any sources of information regarding the whole thing. Yes, the main reason was because he cheated to get Maya, and the cheating went far beyond any ESPN tour.

Another expert heard from.

 

[LadyVol1908]

Another expert heard from.

Why are you here?

 

[Jax_Vol]

Meh.....play them when they get a new coach. It would be a dishonor to Pat

 

[Slydell]

Why is no one asking Geno this question? He has the answer.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

Holly is that you?

Since you went there, this brings up a touchy subject that I've tried to ask over the years and it has never gotten anywhere. So here goes yet again.

Pat pulled the UConn series over "the recruitment of Maya Moore" (or alledged recruiting improprieties) according to conventional wisdom, and maybe Pat's own testimony. But, nowhere that I know of has Pat (or anyone in the UTAD) given an actual (non-ambiguos) reason why the biggest series in WCB was cancelled.

Does no one find that odd, at the least? If Butch cancelled the Alabama TSO game because Nick "did something ambiguous that pissed him off in recruiting, would Vol Nation just go "okay, if Butch says so"? No. It would be a mattress burning affair of state wide proportions

UT fans often do an ostrich-like "head in the sand" because "Pat said so, and that's good enough for me, and I don't need to know any more than that". What?!? That's really pathetic and a little bit bewildering IMO.

So back to why I thought of this. I heard a story a few months after the original uproar over the series cancellation. The story was supposedly a couple of hands out from the UTAD (UTWAD?) and was the actual reason for the "feud" between Pat & Geno.

The story was that what pi$$ed Pat off @ Maya's recruitment was that "Geno had spoken with Maya's mother about Pat, Holly, and others working purposely to turn the UTLVBB into a 'lesbian factory'. Thus more specifically that the staff was active in "converting" (errrrr, uhhh helping them find out how they were really born :-\ ) new recruits into lesbians. That ultimately caused Maya's family to flip her to Geno. For whatever reason this offended Pat so bad that she cancelled the series."

Now, that's the story I heard. Can anyone either confirm any of it as true? Or can anyone confirm an actual reason why the series was cancelled? Because, "I'm mad cause you cheated" ain't cuttin' for me folks".

That's all I got.

It's telling that you don't provide any links to this "story" or provide source information to backup any of what you are saying. I also find it odd that if you have been asking these questions for years, with no answers, you certainly don't show that same curiosity over here on the Lady Vol forum. As a matter of fact, you post exclusively over on the football forum and seemingly have a man crush on Butch Jones. Your post seems to ooze discontent for the Lady Vol basketball program. Maybe your a homophobe? Maybe you're a bit jealous of all the Lady Vol success, while the football team has been nothing short of a dumpster fire for many years now. I will say this, if Coach Summitt did find out that Geno was making these ludicrous claims about "lesbian factories", then I don't blame her one bit for ending the series. As a matter of fact, that would be slanderous allegations and Geno would be fortunate not to be sued for millions of dollars. Not one single player from the Lady Vol basketball program, past or present, has ever come out and said anything negative about the program, EVER. To me that's a testimony to the utmost respect that all of the players had for Coach Summitt.

 

[livefaith]

Why is no one asking Geno this question? He has the answer.

Indeed. It seemed like b/c CPS made the decision that all the inquiry went her way. I can see that, but it would be interesting for him to be pressed on it. Iirc, Pat said he has the answer and he is free to share it according to her.

Whatever happened it does seem to be an explosively negative situation for either or both if it leaks. The "lesbian factory" rumor certainly falls into that category, but so could plenty of other things.

Anyway, maybe in 40 years when Congress releases all the records, we'll know. Props to everyone who filled in some blanks and legitimately took a shot at the Q, without fear or favor.

 

[livefaith]

It's telling that you don't provide any links to this "story" or provide source information to backup any of what you are saying. I also find it odd that if you have been asking these questions for years, with no answers, you certainly don't show that same curiosity over here on the Lady Vol forum. As a matter of fact, you post exclusively over on the football forum and seemingly have a man crush on Butch Jones. Your post seems to ooze discontent for the Lady Vol basketball program. Maybe your a homophobe? Maybe you're a bit jealous of all the Lady Vol success, while the football team has been nothing short of a dumpster fire for many years now. I will say this, if Coach Summitt did find out that Geno was making these ludicrous claims about "lesbian factories", then I don't blame her one bit for ending the series. As a matter of fact, that would be slanderous allegations and Geno would be fortunate not to be sued for millions of dollars. Not one single player from the Lady Vol basketball program, past or present, has ever come out and said anything negative about the program, EVER. To me that's a testimony to the utmost respect that all of the players had for Coach Summitt.

It was a Q in response to a post off the home page listing of threads. The question got modded over here from the "visitor" thread. Not claiming inside info. Just questioning "why" in the vacuum created by the secrecy.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

and for you laughing folks, do you remember a time when most of you were alive when the cry of fans following football, and basketball (men and women) 'we need to recruit more players of color!" and there were those 'living their faith" in the South who were strongly opposed

And now a biracial President and a woman running for the office! ( with a smile)

Margaret Chase Smith 1964
Shirley Chisholm 1972

 

[Voluble2]

Another thing that needs to be addressed in the OP's post is the comparison of what would be accepted from Butch vs what is accepted from Pat.

Pat built a sport and a legacy based on her tremendous personal character and unwillingness to take shortcuts. Her integrity is something that there has never been reason to question. She even turned in two of her own players for accepting extra ice cream (or something similarly inconsequential) because it was against the rules. That being the case people are willing to accept it when she says she had just cause for her actions. She spent a lifetime earning that deference.

Butch simply hasn't built the reputation that Pat has. It is like asking a person whether they would believe their birth mother who raised them or whether they would believe a step-father who just married into the family. One you would have enough information about to make a judgment and the other you might not.

So for me at least Pat's word is enough. Not because she coaches my team but because she is Pat.

And one of the few things we KNOW about Butch is that he will lie to cover his own ass. There is no "analytics" which show that going for it from the 6" line is the wrong call, and the chart that every coach carries showing when to go for 2 doesn't say what he claimed it does. He trotted both of those excuses out for two separate decisions he made while knowing they were false. He couldn't own his own choices even in something as small as these choices so no, I would not trust on its face any reason he gave for ending a series with another team.

I think chances are decent that he will work out and get us where we want to be, but you have to remember you are comparing people and not positions when you make these analogies.

 

[Chitownvol1129]

Another expert heard from.

Volcrazy and I disagree about air and water, but we are both true blue Lady Vol fans! On this subject there are few experts, Holly, Pat, Nikki, Dean, and Geno. I am positive she shared it with them, and probably a few others former Lady Vol Staff. Whom Geno told the truth to, and if they would know the truth from, is suspect. I think that is something even his staff would agree on, and it speaks volumes. I consider Volcrazy an extremely informed poster. We disagree for sport, and ideology reasons. I spout off more than I should, but that is me. I can tell you this, Pat had her reasons, yes more than one, and she made it HER decisions! There is no chance we will support their brand of basketball while the Pat Summitt line is breathing. We don't need too, we benefit nothing from them, we are Tennessee, we are class, we are fans, we are spotless in reputation. We will never get into the muck with Geno, unless the tournament dictates it. Then Karma, pride, and Pat will be on our side!

 

[brassie]

UCONN was cheating. It was Georgia, not UT that reported them to the NCAA. So it was somewhat well known. Geno is an *******, who wants everything to be about him. Pat tired of the the games together becoming "wrestling type hyped, with mean talk" events. She spent her career building the game of WCBB this was a shame, and an insult to the spirit of the game. Yes, Geno said such things to more than Maya's mom, and probably hinted at it to reporters who came to her with respect, instead of printing it. She never wanted a game to be about her, and or Geno. You combine all that, mainly the blatant cheating, and Pat decided not to continue helping him change the game into something like pro wrestling. It seems very simple to me.

I took this from a Voepel article on the ESPN page - In the spring of 2008, ESPN reporter Shelley Smith obtained, through a public records request, a letter that Tennessee had sent to the SEC in 2006 detailing concerns over potential recruiting violations by UConn.

 

[brassie]

Here is the rest of the 5 year old Voepel article. It's probably the best explanation of why this continues to fester between UConn and UT fans. LINK

 

[reno tony]

Why are you here?

As a WBB fan I like to read others insight about current teams. Even though I am a UCONN fan, it doesn't mean I don't respect other teams, players, coaches and fans. And sometimes it is necessary to wade through some garbage to reach that pearl of wisdom.

 

[VolFootballnut]

I'd rather the Ladyvols not play UConn until the Elite Eight or Final Four.

 

[mlindsay]

I'd rather the Ladyvols not play UConn until the Elite Eight or Final Four.

I want it to be in the Championship game this year so we can stop Stewart (Jefferson & Tuck) from making history as the only players to be apart of a National Championship team every year (4 years) they've been in college

 

[volcrazy89]

Another expert heard from.

I'm sorry ... did you have something to add to the discussion?

Yep, didn't think so. :dry:

The cold, hard truth of the matter is that MANY UConn fans know exactly what happened with Maya's recruitment. I know because, believe it or not, I actually am on friendly terms with several UConn fans going back to the days of the ESPN board. Other UConn fans (who I don't consider to be friends) don't care. They just don't care. They look at it as a college football-type scenario where everyone cheats. The ones that are embarrassed by it all have a similar reaction: why? Why cheat? Geno is a fantastic coach. At the same time, I'm amazed that anyone would doubt Geno cheats. I mean, the man is a brass, loud-mouthed, egotistical d-bag. He also happens to be a good basketball coach. Doesn't make him a good person who doesn't do slimy things to get what he wants. (Pat happened to be both a great human being and also a great coach. This is why Pat was always comfortable with her accomplishments and never felt she had to prove anything to anyone. By the same token, Geno is the complete opposite. It's also why Pat's legacy is and will always be much larger and much more well-respected than Geno's in the general sports world.)

But how quickly some UConn fans forget that UConn was in the midst of a FF drought at the time this all happened. And yes ... Maya was headed to Knoxville at that time. She would not have wound up at UConn if her mother hadn't pimped her daughter out and used her as a ticket to get out of the Georgia projects. To this day, I still laugh at the sheep that don't find anything suspicious about her mother being able to somehow afford moving from the projects in Georgia to Connecticut. Some people have to get wet before they can tell it's raining, I suppose.

There really is no use trying to make me out to be someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. To put it simply: I do know exactly what I'm talking about, which, I would guess, is a huge part of what kills people who doubt what I say about the scenario (UConn and UT fans alike). I have several sources who were very close to the program when MayaGate took place, when Maya came on a visit with her mother and her mother spoke to Pat about Geno's "deal", etc. So you can keep whistling past the graveyard if you want. Whatever helps you sleep at night. :whistling:

 

[wtorange]

There is no reason to shoot the poster because this story has been out there for a long time. I have no knowledge whatsoever of its validity but some HS coaches have told me that people used this in recruiting against UT. This was before the sexual identity thing was so commonly accepted.

 

[volcrazy89]

It is known that Geno had made remarks about the sexual orientation of other coaches, including UT's. I don't know that he ever made any remarks about Pat specifically, but he definitely did about our staff, as it's no secret that Holly and Mickie DeMoss are gay.

Sue Bird's final two were UConn and Stanford. Geno told Sue's dad that if Sue went to Stanford to play for Tara and her staff that she would wind up being gay. The irony of that whole thing is that Sue is a lesbian.

 

[linkster]

Maya was headed to Knoxville at that time. She would not have wound up at UConn if her mother hadn't pimped her daughter out and used her as a ticket to get out of the Georgia projects. To this day, I still laugh at the sheep that don't find anything suspicious about her mother being able to somehow afford moving from the projects in Georgia to Connecticut.

This is the second time I've read this gross and hateful comment from you. Why do you assume that Katherine Moore's family couldn't provide the rent for the condo she leased in CT. Is it that you can't believe that a black woman must have dirt poor parents? Are you that bigoted?

Katherine Moore's parents were perfectly able to support their daughter & their only granddaughter during Maya's years at Storrs. Both were teachers in Chicago and while perhaps not as rich as some, I would think they would be able to help their daughter with the rent.

Babcock-McGraw: Maya Moore's grandparents back her every step of the way

Does this look to you like parents that would raise their daughter to pimp out their granddaughter as you so sweetly put it?

I have no problem with those who simply hate UConn and slander Geno. He gets paid a lot of money. But would you have the guts to repeat what you posted to Maya's grandparents to their face?

The question I have is how you sleep in that mudpit you live in?

 

[wtorange]

This is the second time I've read this gross and hateful comment from you. Why do you assume that Katherine Moore's family couldn't provide the rent for the condo she leased in CT. Is it that you can't believe that a black woman must have dirt poor parents? Are you that bigoted?

Katherine Moore's parents were perfectly able to support their daughter & their only granddaughter during Maya's years at Storrs. Both were teachers in Chicago and while perhaps not as rich as some, I would think they would be able to help their daughter with the rent.

Babcock-McGraw: Maya Moore's grandparents back her every step of the way

Does this look to you like parents that would raise their daughter to pimp out their granddaughter as you so sweetly put it?

I have no problem with those who simply hate UConn and slander Geno. He gets paid a lot of money. But would you have the guts to repeat what you posted to Maya's grandparents to their face?

The question I have is how you sleep in that mudpit you live in?

I agree that pimped out is simply over the top. UCONN did set the mother up in business there and that's just the way the game is played whether we agree with it or not.

 

[CannonVol80]

This is the second time I've read this gross and hateful comment from you. Why do you assume that Katherine Moore's family couldn't provide the rent for the condo she leased in CT. Is it that you can't believe that a black woman must have dirt poor parents? Are you that bigoted?

Katherine Moore's parents were perfectly able to support their daughter & their only granddaughter during Maya's years at Storrs. Both were teachers in Chicago and while perhaps not as rich as some, I would think they would be able to help their daughter with the rent.

Babcock-McGraw: Maya Moore's grandparents back her every step of the way

Does this look to you like parents that would raise their daughter to pimp out their granddaughter as you so sweetly put it?

I have no problem with those who simply hate UConn and slander Geno. He gets paid a lot of money. But would you have the guts to repeat what you posted to Maya's grandparents to their face?

The question I have is how you sleep in that mudpit you live in?

While I understand your ire at the comment made, I have to wonder why, if you're so sure that Maya's grandparents were capable of and did help her mother during her college years, they were apparently either unable or unwilling to help when Maya and her mother were living in her car or in the projects during her elementary and high school years?

Jim

 

[hokievol12]

Not so clever way of calling someone a pig or hog? LOl...it takes slime to call someone else slime...Maya Moore was bought, sealed, and delivered to UConn and those handbags being sold through the "not for profit" campus bookstore with her initials on them should have drawn the scrutiny of the NCAA.