UGA AD not happy with officiating

#27
#27
Quick, someone get ahold of Damon Evans and get him to send this guy a pair of red panties so he can wipe away those tears!! Bad officiated game all the way around. Baby.
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#28
#28
wombat7477 said:
I don't think it's hard to argue; in fact, I think it's hard to argue that it WAS a foul. Here is why:

I watched the video over and over, trying to determine exactly what happened. Here's what I saw -
  • BW did not push or shove the GA player
  • BW did not 'ride the back' or otherwise impede the GA player's ability to jump
  • In fact, there was actually very little contact involved. BW was basically just standing behind the guy. If anything, the contact came when the GA player began backing into BW to box him out.

However, we are lucky that over the back wasn't called, because at full speed it really looked like it. Here's what made it look that way (IMO):
  • Harris shot an airball, and the GA player wasn't expecting it
  • Because of that, the GA player was just beginning to block BW out.
  • When the ball didn't draw iron, it was in the GA player's face before he was ready to secure it
  • BW, having a better look at the shot, saw that it was short and just reached over the GA player's head to snatch it. That's not over the back; that's just being tall. There's no rule against that.

Ultimately, the correct call would have been BW at the line for an 'and 1' because the GA player grabbed his arms as he was falling to the floor. But I think the refs did the right thing in swallowing the whistle.

Holy crap, can you imagine if BW had missed the put-back but the foul for grabbing his arms was called? Brian Williams, at the line, shooting two, with no time on the clock?? Cardiac wards would have been full in Knoxville.
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He reached over the guy's back and made contact with him. It wasn't just him being tall. Had that play not occurred at the buzzer, it would have been over the back 10 times out of 10.
 
#29
#29
LawVol13 said:
He reached over the guy's back and made contact with him. It wasn't just him being tall. Had that play not occurred at the buzzer, it would have been over the back 10 times out of 10.
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Here's the part I don't understand. Brian is allowed to occupy his own vertical space and as long as he and the other player both do it then the contact doesn't matter. If Brian had bowled the guy over going forward to get the ball then sure. The way the play looks to me is that Brian was displaced by the UGA player, not the other way around, which is the only way a foul could have been called. Just because the UGA player was in front doesn't mean he has free reign to jump backwards after a ball he wasn't ready for.
 
#30
#30
TreeGreen said:
Here's the part I don't understand. Brian is allowed to occupy his own vertical space and as long as he and the other player both do it then the contact doesn't matter. If Brian had bowled the guy over going forward to get the ball then sure. The way the play looks to me is that Brian was displaced by the UGA player, not the other way around, which is the only way a foul could have been called. Just because the UGA player was in front doesn't mean he has free reign to jump backwards after a ball he wasn't ready for.
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He was being boxed out, and that is not a foul. Brian Williams reaches over his back. That's over the back every single time. But, let's just be happy they didn't call it.
 
#31
#31
LawVol13 said:
He was being boxed out, and that is not a foul. Brian Williams reaches over his back. That's over the back every single time. But, let's just be happy they didn't call it.
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There is no such thing as over the back, it doesn't exist. You either call a foul for contact or you accept that both players were in their vertical planes. Also, the UGA player cannot displace Brian while he is boxing out.
 
#32
#32
TreeGreen said:
There is no such thing as over the back, it doesn't exist. You either call a foul for contact or you accept that both players were in their vertical planes. Also, the UGA player cannot displace Brian while he is boxing out.
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Someone is displaced every single time a shot is put up. And Brian made contact with Barnes.
 
#33
#33
wwilso29 said:
I was gonna ask that. Coaches aren't allowed to publicly criticize officiating, are other university representatives (the AD) allowed to?
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After rereading it and thinking about it, I don't think his comments were enough to draw the wrath of King Slive.
 
#34
#34
TreeGreen said:
There is no such thing as over the back, it doesn't exist. You either call a foul for contact or you accept that both players were in their vertical planes. Also, the UGA player cannot displace Brian while he is boxing out.
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If that play happens with 10 minutes to go in the 1st half, it's a foul 99 times out of 100. It was obvious.
 
#35
#35
LawVol13 said:
Please. It was absolutely an over the back. We just benefited from the refs doing what they do most of the time, and that's swallowing their whistles in last second situations.
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At that time in the game, the official put the game in the hands of the UGA player to make a play. He blocks out, looks for the ball, and goes and gets the ball, you got overtime. He really did none of the 3, bout all he had was position.

If UT is on the other end of that it would be hard not to be ill, but you could come back to not finishing the play and getting the rebound.
 
#36
#36
BeecherVol said:
At that time in the game, the official put the game in the hands of the UGA player to make a play. He blocks out, looks for the ball, and goes and gets the ball, you got overtime. He really did none of the 3, bout all he had was position.

If UT is on the other end of that it would be hard not to be ill, but you could come back to not finishing the play and getting the rebound.
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I agree. I have always agreed with refs letting the players finish the game. And I'm glad it worked out for us this time.
 
#38
#38
let them complain ut got hammerd by officals in basketball and football in most games
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#41
#41
College officiating has sucked in general for awhile now. I was having flash backs to football season when they reviewed Brian Williams bucket at the end of the game and was shocked when they got it right.

I agree that letting the players play at the end of games is the thing to do tho. It might of been a nitpick call if called, but the guy that Williams went over the back on (Tompkins, maybe) could of been called for a foul on the shot.
 
#44
#44
TreeGreen said:
Here's the part I don't understand. Brian is allowed to occupy his own vertical space and as long as he and the other player both do it then the contact doesn't matter. If Brian had bowled the guy over going forward to get the ball then sure. The way the play looks to me is that Brian was displaced by the UGA player, not the other way around, which is the only way a foul could have been called. Just because the UGA player was in front doesn't mean he has free reign to jump backwards after a ball he wasn't ready for.
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Does "displaced" mean "boxed out"?
 
#45
#45
tnvols72 said:
If he wasnt happy about the refs then he should come and read volnation.I might be wrong but I think the fouls were something like 18 fouls on Tn and 13 on Ga.
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This is a common misconception in basketball. If the team fouls are higher for one team than they are the other that doesn't mean one team is getting the calls. It simply means that one team has fouled more than the other. It is not the officials job to keep team foul totals close. There job is to call every foul committed and if that means that the fouls are 20 to 1 or 9 to 9 then so be it.
 
#46
#46
The guy that was in front of Brian reached back and grabbed his arm as he was shooting!! Should have been AND 1. In my opinion it was not over the back and both were fighting over the ball with a gap in between the players...
 
#47
#47
supersmo18 said:
I agree with you about the phantom technical foul. That call was absolutely ridiculous. That 1 and another call they called outta bounds turnover of cameron tatum when he never even touched ball.
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one of the worst calls ever... no exaggeration... looked like a rec league official call
 
#48
#48
Guys it was an over the back plain and simple. I would bet my bottom dollar that if you sat down and showed the replay to 10 officials 10 out of 10 would say it was over the back. To be fair I believe a good officlal tries not to be the deciding factor in a ball game if they absolutely don't have to. They let the over the back call go which would have been a rather petty call to make that would have decided the ball game therefore letting the hack on the georgia player go was the obvious correct no call. Of course I am very happy that the officials swallowed there whistle for the last 5 seconds but if tennessee were on the other end of it I would be very upset.
 
#49
#49
allvol21 said:
Guys it was an over the back plain and simple. I would bet my bottom dollar that if you sat down and showed the replay to 10 officials 10 out of 10 would say it was over the back. To be fair I believe a good officlal tries not to be the deciding factor in a ball game if they absolutely don't have to. They let the over the back call go which would have been a rather petty call to make that would have decided the ball game therefore letting the hack on the georgia player go was the obvious correct no call. Of course I am very happy that the officials swallowed there whistle for the last 5 seconds but if tennessee were on the other end of it I would be very upset.
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No such thing, as has been stated repeatedly over the past 24 hours
 
#50
#50
BartW said:
No such thing, as has been stated repeatedly over the past 24 hours
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They now call it as a push. Basketball has not changed they have adjusted they way they signal it. It was a foul 20 years ago and will remain that way for the next 20 years regardless of whats been stated over the last 24 hours.
 
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