UGA AD not happy with officiating

#51
#51
BartW said:
No such thing, as has been stated repeatedly over the past 24 hours
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In the terms and signals of an official there is "no such thing" as a reach but I promise it is a foul and and they call it just don't signal or call it in those terms.
 
#52
#52
" There were no arena deficiencies that aided in that decision"

...like the light not going off on the backboard?
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#53
#53
Here's a fairly high resolution youtube video on the play: YouTube - Tennessee's Brian Williams Sinks Falling Over The Back Buzzer Beater Against Georgia

I do agree that they commonly call this one "over the back". However, look at the end zone view starting about 33 seconds into the video. Look close. BW's arms are clearly above Barnes' shoulders. BW established position with Barnes nearly directly underneath the basket. As the shot came down, Barnes is the one initiating contact with the body...no question. BW probably did slightly brush Barnes' head, but Barnes made much more contact with BW than BW did with him. Just because you have your back to someone, doesn't give you the right to run them over. BW is moving directly away from the Barnes and the basket the entire time. Barnes is so busy trying to back into BW that he forgot about rebounding or playing defense (except when he grabbed BW's arm while he was shooting).

With that said, they usually call it over the back. If the NCAA wants an emphasis area for next year, they should stop allowing the offensive player to back over the defensive player. Unless they flagrantly knock the defensive player down, they never call it. If a defensive player establishes position, the offensive player should be called for a foul if he bumps him backwards with his rear end.
 
#54
#54
jcolli30 said:
" There were no arena deficiencies that aided in that decision"

...like the light not going off on the backboard?
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Yeah, that part was pure comedy. The shot clock horn obviously didn't go off a few times, and he blamed it on crowd noise as if it was Cameron Indoor Stadium.
 
#56
#56
GAVol said:
Uh, yeah. It kind of does. It's called blocking out.
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Again, I am not referring to how it is called. If you can show me that in the rule book, which I doubt you can, then I'll agree with you.

Why would it matter whether you push someone out of your way when you are facing them or have your back to them?

The refs erroneously assume that if you have your back to someone and contact is made, you did not initiate contact.
 
#57
#57
I didn't bother waiting on you. Here's the NCAA rule book for those of you who care to get a copy: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

On page 152 of the pdf document, the NCAA provides the following:

Rebounding
a. Definition. A rebound is an attempt by any player to secure possession
of the ball after a try for goal. There is no player or team control
on a rebound. The act of “blocking out” an opponent on a rebound
is an attempt by any player to prevent an opponent from getting a
rebound without displacing that opponent. Backing out an opponent is
displacement and should not be confused with blocking out.

So, CLEARLY in the rules, players are not allowed to displace another player by backing them out, which is commonly and erroneously referred to as blocking out.
 
#58
#58
One other thing I hadn't noticed until seeing the replay: BW absolutely camped out in the lane. He got in the paint at about 8-9 seconds to go and never left. No way they are calling 3 seconds in that situation though.
 
#59
#59
hillsborovol said:
I didn't bother waiting on you. Here's the NCAA rule book for those of you who care to get a copy: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

On page 152 of the pdf document, the NCAA provides the following:

Rebounding
a. Definition. A rebound is an attempt by any player to secure possession
of the ball after a try for goal. There is no player or team control
on a rebound. The act of “blocking out” an opponent on a rebound
is an attempt by any player to prevent an opponent from getting a
rebound without displacing that opponent. Backing out an opponent is
displacement and should not be confused with blocking out.

So, CLEARLY in the rules, players are not allowed to displace another player by backing them out, which is commonly and erroneously referred to as blocking out.
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You need to face reality. Posts are displaced every single possession during box outs.
 
#60
#60
allvol21 said:
They now call it as a push. Basketball has not changed they have adjusted they way they signal it. It was a foul 20 years ago and will remain that way for the next 20 years regardless of whats been stated over the last 24 hours.
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Pushing is a foul. Brian Williams did not push. People seem to think that just because he grabbed the ball from above Barnes' head it was a foul
 
#61
#61
LawVol13 said:
You need to face reality. Posts are displaced every single possession during box outs.
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You need to learn to read what I wrote instead of arguing with something I already agree with you about. I have already stated that officials DO allow players to back opponents out of the way. I merely said that I wish they would start calling the game the way the rules are written. They need to call it according to the rules or change the rules to match how the game is called. Officials, in every sport, are charged with enforcing ALL the rules...not just the ones they like.

I watched the replay again for the 3 second call you mentioned. BW gets in the lane with 7 seconds left...and never leaves. He probably was officially "only" in the lane for 5 seconds since Harris shot the ball at about the 2 second mark.
 
#62
#62
hillsborovol said:
You need to learn to read what I wrote instead of arguing with something I already agree with you about. I have already stated that officials DO allow players to back opponents out of the way. I merely said that I wish they would start calling the game the way the rules are written. They need to call it according to the rules or change the rules to match how the game is called. Officials, in every sport, are charged with enforcing ALL the rules...not just the ones they like.

I watched the replay again for the 3 second call you mentioned. BW gets in the lane with 7 seconds left...and never leaves. He probably was officially "only" in the lane for 5 seconds since Harris shot the ball at about the 2 second mark.
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I never mentioned anything about 3 seconds. My point was, if that rule was strictly enforced, a foul would be called every time down the floor. I agree that shouldn't even be in the rule book.
 
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