Ukraine II: The Fight Against Russian Aggression

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#3,826
LouderVol said:
Spain used force to get a "no" and got a "yes". seems the people voted for what they wanted anyway.
Russia used force to get a "yes" and got a "yes". Seems like Russia got what they wanted.

see the difference?
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Ukraine would've used force to disallow any vote....that is the difference...
 
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#3,832
Pacer92 said:
Ukraine would've used force to disallow any vote....that is the difference...
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except they didn't.

funny how we didn't hear a peep from Crimea until they get invaded in the middle of the night and the vote happens the next day? Come on that is suspicious AF.
 
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#3,833
LouderVol said:
except they didn't.

funny how we didn't hear a peep from Crimea until they get invaded in the middle of the night and the vote happens the next day? Come on that is suspicious AF.
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That's geopolitical hardball.....let's be straight here. We were heavily involved in overthrowing Yanukovych...there was a reaction to that...

Regime change for a strategic peninsula...
 
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#3,834
Pacer92 said:
That's geopolitical hardball.....let's be straight here. We were heavily involved in overthrowing Yanukovych...there was a reaction to that...

Regime change for a strategic peninsula...
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no Russia was. He was bought and paid for, and after the people kicked him out Russia moved in and protected their investment. Both by rescuing him, and invading Donbas and Crimea.
 
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#3,835
LouderVol said:
no Russia was. He was bought and paid for, and after the people kicked him out Russia moved in and protected their investment. Both by rescuing him, and invading Donbas and Crimea.
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We kicked him out...like we have countless others..

Had we not, Russia wouldn't of reacted in the way they did I suppose...

Cold War action and reaction...
 
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#3,839
Thanks to Israel we discovered that Russian Intelligence was using Kaspersky to hack and look at our intelligence.
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#3,840
Rasputin_Vol said:
That was at one time the Warsaw Pact's Western Flank. It was understood after the collapse of the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand into Warsaw Pact regions and vice versa. But look who is violating that unwritten agreement?

Anyone with common sense would know that these moves are provocative.
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NATO Expansion Would Be an Epic 'Fateful Error'

Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower was the first NATO supreme veallied commander. Shortly after assuming that post, he wrote these words in February 1951:

"If in 10 years, all American troops stationed in Europe for national defense purposes have not been returned to the United States, then this whole project [NATO] will have failed."
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Diplomat-historian George F. Kennan perhaps said it most clearly when he wrote earlier this year in a newspaper commentary: "Expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the post cold-war era. Such a decision may be expected . . . to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking."
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#3,842
Rasputin_Vol said:
NATO Expansion Would Be an Epic 'Fateful Error'
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"Sorry Chump, You Didn't Have It In Writing"

All the western powers promised Gorbachev and Shevardnadze that NATO would not expand eastward by ‘one inch’ if Moscow would pull the Red Army out of East Germany and allow it to peacefully reunify with West Germany. This was a titanic concession by Gorbachev: it led to a failed coup against him in 1991 by Communist hardliners.

The documents released by George Washington University in Washington DC, which I attended for a semester, make sickening reading (see them online). All western powers and statesmen assured the Russians that NATO would not take advantage of the Soviet retreat and that a new era of amity and cooperation would dawn in post-Cold War Europe. US Secretary of State Jim Baker offered ‘ironclad guarantees’ there would be no NATO expansion. Lies, all lies.
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LouderVol said:
Ras has completely thrown away any objectivity and rationality when it comes to Russia. explaining the whys of the world does not work with him.
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Ras is as objective and rational as anyone....

You see only the side you want....

You're the pot calling the kettle...there are two sides to everything....especially US/Russia relations....

You're becoming another volprof by arguing everything Russia and cheering everything US....blindly...
 
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#3,847
Russia's Gazprom says has started ending gas contracts with Ukraine | Reuters

Russia’s gas giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said on Saturday it had started moves to terminate gas supply contracts with Ukraine’s Naftogaz, though Kiev said there had so far been no impact on supplies through its pipelines to Europe.
The Russian group said on Friday it intended to terminate the contracts after a Stockholm arbitration court ordered it this week to pay more than $2.5 billion to Ukrainian energy firm Naftogaz.
 
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#3,849
carlos86 said:
Looks like some activity on the Russian Ukraine border.
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carlos86 said:
Looks like some activity on the Russian Ukraine border.
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Going to be an interesting next few weeks with Vostok-2018 in the works. The Russians are planning their largest ever military exercises (300,000 troops, 36,000 vehicles, and 1,000 aircraft plus some Chinese units involved as well. There have been reports that the Russians are even digging T-62 and BTR-60s along with some T-55s out of reserve stocks. Now you add in Alexander Zakharchenko's assassination yesterday and there is valid reasons to be concerned if you're in the Ukrainian military establishment.
 
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#3,850
carlos86 said:
Looks like some activity on the Russian Ukraine border.
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Going to be an interesting next few weeks with Vostok-2018 in the works. The Russians are planning their largest ever military exercises (300,000 troops, 36,000 vehicles, and 1,000 aircraft plus some Chinese units involved as well. There have been reports that the Russians are even digging T-62 and BTR-60s along with some T-55s out of reserve stocks. Now you add in Alexander Zakharchenko's assassination yesterday and there is valid reasons to be concerned if you're in the Ukrainian military establishment.


Blast kills top Ukraine rebel leader
 
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