Ukraine II: The Fight Against Russian Aggression

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When I was there in 2011, people east of Poltava didn’t care at all for the EU, since their families were all transplants from Russia a generation before. In Kiev tho, it was more of a mixed bag. I think attitudes were more pro EU because they decided for some odd reason to host the Euro Cup there in 2012. I think all the stadium construction was a beard for the state dept to build a new embassy which I saw first hand (when I could see over the 15 ft barrier around the entire perimeter). And well, we know what they used that for.
 
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bcmbvol said:
When I was there in 2011, people east of Poltava didn’t care at all for the EU, since their families were all transplants from Russia a generation before. In Kiev tho, it was more of a mixed bag. I think attitudes were more pro EU because they decided for some odd reason to host the Euro Cup there in 2012. I think all the stadium construction was a beard for the state dept to build a new embassy which I saw first hand (when I could see over the 15 ft barrier around the entire perimeter). And well, we know what they used that for.
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Just like in Georgia there is a new generation of Ukrainians who want nothing to do with Russia. Ukraine should be allowed to hold a referendum on joint NATO just like Macedonia.
 
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carlos86 said:
Just like in Georgia there is a new generation of Ukrainians who want nothing to do with Russia. Ukraine should be allowed to hold a referendum on joint NATO just like Macedonia.
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I can’t speak to what Georgia is like since I’ve never been and I only know one person from there. I should have been more clear in saying that the perception in the west of an anti Russia sentiment/appetite for a coup in Kiev was manufactured entirely, as with all revolutions.
 
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Velo Vol said:
But is what he writes accurate?
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Well that BBC article is really sketchy (surprise surprise). Not sourced and falls right in line with that tired-ass Russian boogeyman narrative as stale as the Cold War. I guess I’ll read some more of his stuff, and get back to you.
 
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bcmbvol said:
Well that BBC article is really sketchy (surprise surprise). Not sourced and falls right in line with that tired-ass Russian boogeyman narrative as stale as the Cold War. I guess I’ll read some more of his stuff, and get back to you.
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The Russians have been very sloppy with their foreign assassinations the last 10 years
 
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Alright looks like he mostly talks about Eastern Europe foreign policy and Intelligence Community dealings. He drags the well-refuted orthodoxy on collusion, and is a big supporter of surveillance (even domestic). I’d say he gets off on the thought of the panopticon, and is a deluded moron.
 
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