Underachieving Staff, Underachieving Players

#26
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RollerVol said:
Besides winning and losing...do any of you understand the way the roster has changed...remember, there are girls playing in this system that were on the bench for a long time...we are not robots...are we...this is not over...we'll get better and next year this team will be unbelievable...
and the effort that these girls put against a UK team, like they did...how about let's agree to disagree...:)

GO LADY VOLS AND HOLLY!
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That's what we said last year. And the year before that. And the year before that....
 
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hokievol12 said:
Comedy of errors, both physically and mentally, continue for this program. Lazy passes that show little consideration for valuing possession of the basketball, inability to hit point blank shots, failure to stop the go to players on the opposing team from dribble penetration...and the beat goes on. Nearly 7 minute stretches without scoring a single point, an offensive graveyard directed by a head coach who who has managed to "dumb down" the skills of a formerly feared scorer. Program is going nowhere until there is a change in Knoxville!
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You are a miserable human being.
 
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#30
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DonDiego said:
This is a very poorly coached team of all-stars. I've said it before and I'll say it again, go after Dawn Staley. She took nothing in the middle of nowhere and made a good team of them. She would be a great hire for Tennessee to replace the Legend.
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First, while Staley has made South Carolina a stiff competitor, she's been coaching a long time and has never won anything. Second, why would she come to UT now? Nobody jumps from a strong program to a program in decline, unless she got a massive raise in pay--and that wouldn't happen.
 
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VolfaninSavannah said:
I think you may be on to something with your comment. There is something terribly wrong with this team and it is not talent. They are loaded with talent but are not performing. Why? Lack of coaching? That is the first consideration but I propose that not having a point guard to lead this team on the floor is killing them. Tea scored some points this game and last game but she is a freshman and thus far has not risen to the occasion. Diamond can be great...she has proven...but is horribly inconsistent. Someone needs to take control of this team on the floor and it is not Diamond or Tea. That ship has sailed. So who will it be? In the absence of a competent head coach, who takes this team and makes it a Lady Vol quality team...one that wins the games they have to win? I don't know. But I
think your original comment warrants a discussion.
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Our coach isn't a good leader AND we have no real on-court leader. I thought Carter could fill the role--but she can't. I like the way she plays but she's not good enough AND she's too quiet--too subdued. Your on-court leader has to be a good player. Graves isn't a leader either--not good enough and way too quiet. I don't now how you can play for four years and not talk, but that's Graves. Her lack of personality, her stoicism, is maddening. Four years and hardly any emotion---crazy. DeShields SHOULD be the team's leaders--but this is her first year on the floor, she's not played well enough, and I don't see the toughness one needs in leader. It's a problem: We're rudderless.
 
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armchair said:
First, while Staley has made South Carolina a stiff competitor, she's been coaching a long time and has never won anything. Second, why would she come to UT now? Nobody jumps from a strong program to a program in decline, unless she got a massive raise in pay--and that wouldn't happen.
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1. Why not a pay raise?
2. She's not been a head coach all that long--and certainly didn't get a championship program handed to her.
3. Why come to UT from USCe? Championship program with unparalleled facilities, an incredible tradition versus NO tradition, a pipeline to the best high school recruiting, due to years of excellence--versus none of that for USC jr.
4. Look at the Vol roster--not in decline if it is caught soon enough. USCwannabe has some recent ringers--ringers move on eventually.
 
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RollerVol said:
Besides winning and losing...do any of you understand the way the roster has changed...remember, there are girls playing in this system that were on the bench for a long time...we are not robots...are we...this is not over...we'll get better and next year this team will be unbelievable...
and the effort that these girls put against a UK team, like they did...how about let's agree to disagree...:)

GO LADY VOLS AND HOLLY!
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Name me one team that the roster has not changed. Kentucky lost half their team to transfers. 21 turnovers with no press against us. Allowing the one person on the UK team to personally beat you. Next year will be worse with no new recruits coming in, as we can't even sigh a top 100 player. We will now be out of the top 25, and now even have a chance not to make the tournament. This is a sad day in women's basketball. I have never thought she was a good coach, I could see that when she had to step in before Pat stepped down. Keep patting them on the back after every mistake, that's a great coaching tool that I see no other head coach use.
 
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I actually enjoyed Holly's first year. I saw more offensive schemes being run than had been run in a long time. But since then this brand of bball has become hard to watch. Simply no fundamentals...............zero.
 
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Bigorangejumpsuit said:
I actually enjoyed Holly's first year. I saw more offensive schemes being run than had been run in a long time. But since then this brand of bball has become hard to watch. Simply no fundamentals...............zero.
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I'm afraid that was carryover from previous coaching.
 
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DonDiego said:
1. Why not a pay raise?
2. She's not been a head coach all that long--and certainly didn't get a championship program handed to her.
3. Why come to UT from USCe? Championship program with unparalleled facilities, an incredible tradition versus NO tradition, a pipeline to the best high school recruiting, due to years of excellence--versus none of that for USC jr.
4. Look at the Vol roster--not in decline if it is caught soon enough. USCwannabe has some recent ringers--ringers move on eventually.
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you are missing the key point: She's got a lot of momentum going with South Carolina now. They are on the upswing as a program, while we are on a downswing. Who leaves a program when they've finally established some momentum? What incentive would she have? I am not familiar with sc's facilities--but since it is an SEC school I assume they are pretty good. Also, according to this article Staley's guaranteed compensation is much higher than Warlick's--$875K vs. $550K (Warlick--seventh highest in the SEC). Mitchell at uk supposedly has guaranteed income of $1.1 million! We'd have to offer Staley a huge raise to come here, probably well over $1 million, which I very much doubt that Hart is prepared to do. (It may be relevant that Hart came from bama, whose women's BB program has always been bad, and thus he may not fully respect the importance of women's basketball to UT.) College Sports: SEC women's basketball salaries: How does Gary Blair stack up with Kristy Curry, Dawn Staley, more? | SportsDay

If I were Hart and was willing to spend a lot more money on the women's coach than now, I'd make an inquiry to Staley--and I might have her in a pool of, say, 5 candidates. Still, I'm not convinced that Staley is a great coach. She is a tough-minded competitor, for sure; she's been recruiting pretty well, but as I said, she's never won anything and I'm not sure she'd represent great value for compensation well north of $1 million.
 
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#39
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Brentwoodvolfan said:
It's funny I never saw these threads after they win???!!!! My what a miserable some of you must live!!!!
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I've thought about starting one after a win, but by the time they win, I have forgotten about it. And besides I don't want to hear from all the delusional fans like you telling me the LV are going to be a final four team. I'll repeat...FIRE HOLLY DOOLEY NOW!!!
 
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armchair said:
you are missing the key point: She's got a lot of momentum going with South Carolina now. They are on the upswing as a program, while we are on a downswing. Who leaves a program when they've finally established some momentum? What incentive would she have? I am not familiar with sc's facilities--but since it is an SEC school I assume they are pretty good. Also, according to this article Staley's guaranteed compensation is much higher than Warlick's--$875K vs. $550K (Warlick--seventh highest in the SEC). Mitchell at uk supposedly has guaranteed income of $1.1 million! We'd have to offer Staley a huge raise to come here, probably well over $1 million, which I very much doubt that Hart is prepared to do. (It may be relevant that Hart came from bama, whose women's BB program has always been bad, and thus he may not fully respect the importance of women's basketball to UT.) College Sports: SEC women's basketball salaries: How does Gary Blair stack up with Kristy Curry, Dawn Staley, more? | SportsDay

If I were Hart and was willing to spend a lot more money on the women's coach than now, I'd make an inquiry to Staley--and I might have her in a pool of, say, 5 candidates. Still, I'm not convinced that Staley is a great coach. She is a tough-minded competitor, for sure; she's been recruiting pretty well, but as I said, she's never won anything and I'm not sure she'd represent great value for compensation well north of $1 million.
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Touche (like). I'm cool with that well thought out explanation. But let's just stick her in the pool of five, then.

Regarding Hart, maybe someone needs to explain to him that women's BB is kinda big around here--and for a lot more reasons than revenue. It has to do with identity and pride. And wanting to keep tradition in place.
 
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Tenacguy50 said:
I've thought about starting one after a win, but by the time they win, I have forgotten about it. And besides I don't want to hear from all the delusional fans like you telling me the LV are going to be a final four team. I'll repeat...FIRE HOLLY DOOLEY NOW!!!
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Wow I really said all that in post!!! Must be invisible ink!!
 
#42
#42
This team has no leader on or off the floor ! Holly needs to go! You can't be there mother and friend and coach them effectively. That is what made Pat so great ! Oh yes her players all knew she loved them but they also knew that their butts were on the line every game if they did not perform to her expectations and up to tennessee standards ! go vols!
 
#43
#43
Fire,fire,fire, whine & cry , ***** & moan ! Lol some of you should step away from the edge get behind your team or move on
 
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VolFootballlover said:
Fire,fire,fire, whine & cry , ***** & moan ! Lol some of you should step away from the edge get behind your team or move on
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That's the thing. Demanding accountability from the coaching staff is "getting behind your team."

If the KY game proved one thing, it's that Matt Mitchell...big salary and all...is not the answer to coaching offensive schemes.

KY almost blew the game by continuing to run & try to force layups even with a 10-pt. lead...which gave the ball back to us with opportunities to cut into the lead. Sure, the drives had been working, and he would have been criticized if they had backed off to run clock & then committed turnovers...but KY was WAY out of control during the 4th quarter.

Neither team looked well-coached...couldn't throw the ball in-bounds, stepping on baselines/sidelines, passes to...nobody, etc.

Epps had a great game, but when she dribbled off her foot & stared incredulously at the ball going out of bounds, her expression couldn't have been any better than if a bigmouth bass had crawled out of her shoe.

Priceless.
 
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livefaith said:
Oh gosh. Did they play again tonight? Ugggh.

No need for new threads. Just go back to past games and change the opponent's name. Info will be the same.
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Well, they were on the court. They, again played two good halves, and two terrible halves. Same song, different verse. When they play badly. they are really bad. I just don't understand how they can have so many turnovers trying to get the ball into the post and then turn it over when they are successful getting the ball inside. Who is responsible for coaching the 4s and 5s?
 
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Holly, in her post game presser, said "Kentucky was outstanding"...lawd, lawd, wonder what game she was watching...went on to say that "we're in a tough stretch right now...blah, blah, blah..."going to Mississippi State, 9 o'clock game, getting home late"...whine, whine, whine...no wonder this team gets tagged by commentators for "lacking mental and physical toughness"...coach continues to make excuses for inexcusable performances...and now...Phil Fulmeresque..."I'll have to go back and watch tape"...no, Kentucky wasn't "outstanding"...they were terrible...but Holly's team was just a bit worse than terrible during long stretches of the game.
 
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