unemployment up to 9.6%

#326
#326
Looks like it comes from Wikipedia. Link would be fine. Although hard to read, looks like they are reporting overall figures, not just males.

WHO reporting 17.6 per 100000 males as of 1999 for US.

CDC actually reports suicide as the 11th overall cause of death for everyone over age of 10 as of 2006. Best data I can find for males from CDC 1999 has breakout by age:

10 - 24 years ~ 12 / 100K
25 - 64 years ~ 22 / 100K
65 + years ~ 33 / 100K

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide/statistics/aag.html#1

Looks like CDC and WHO converge to me.
 
Last edited:
#328
#328
utgibbs said:
Looks like it comes from Wikipedia. Link would be fine. Although hard to read, looks like they are reporting overall figures, not just males.
Click to expand...


The word MALES is in there. Copy and paste and sort. Easy process and the total for males comes to 22nd. So WHO says 22nd and CDC says 8th for the same year. I'm more inclined to say CDC is right. I'm also more inclined to say WHO numbers are very sketchy and unreliable. I know for a fact the number on orphans by country is incorrect from them. All of their info is based on estimates that are way off. So anything I see coming from WHO gets treated with little regard.

List of causes of death by rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
#329
#329
CSpindizzy said:
The word MALES is in there. Copy and paste and sort. Easy process and the total for males comes to 22nd. So WHO says 22nd and CDC says 8th for the same year. I'm more inclined to say CDC is right. I'm also more inclined to say WHO numbers are very sketchy and unreliable. I know for a fact the number on orphans by country is incorrect from them. All of their info is based on estimates that are way off. So anything I see coming from WHO gets treated with little regard.

List of causes of death by rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Click to expand...

I'm not seeing how you are making the connection to 22nd. Where are you getting the other figures you need for that from?

Doesn't seem credible to dismiss WHO data with a hand wave, I'm afraid. It seems both sets of numbers converge, although that's an estimate without the demographic breakouts from the CDC.
 
#330
#330
Just sort the column for the Males totals.

I'm not dismissing it 'with a handwave'. As I've said and you are not grasping, I have seen discrepancies and inaccuracies. I have seen all too many 'estimations' that are way off. I have seen country totals self reported that often conflict greatly from numbers WHO reports. It's a little more than a 'hand wave'.
View attachment Deaths.bmp
 
#331
#331
droski said:
why does it seem impossible? because it runs against your theory that everyone loves living in your socialist utopia?
Click to expand...

The Swiss "socialist utopia" is richer than the US by a big margin. They score much higher on overall happiness indices too.

However, it's not a Catholic country, and there is a gun in every house, and the Swiss have pioneered the "right to die" movement.
 
#332
#332
CSpindizzy said:
Just sort the column for the Males totals.

I'm not dismissing it 'with a handwave'. As I've said and you are not grasping, I have seen discrepancies and inaccuracies. I have seen all too many 'estimations' that are way off. I have seen country totals self reported that often conflict greatly from numbers WHO reports. It's a little more than a 'hand wave'.
View attachment 34348
Click to expand...

Ah, you've misunderstood - suicide is the 7th leading cause of deaths among males in the US. That information is not on the Wiki page you've linked. Again, it seems likely the two numbers converge in this case between CDC and WHO.

Can you give us an example of these descrepancies between WHO reporting and country audits?
 
#334
#334
utgibbs said:
The Swiss "socialist utopia" is richer than the US by a big margin. They score much higher on overall happiness indices too.

However, it's not a Catholic country, and there is a gun in every house, and the Swiss have pioneered the "right to die" movement.
Click to expand...

i'd argue suicide rates are a far better metric for the populaces happiness than "happiness indices." one is a real statistic and the other is completely made up. and what is your evidence that enough old farts are offing themselves as compared to teh US to make up this rather significant difference?
 
#335
#335
#337
#337
droski said:
i'd argue suicide rates are a far better metric for the populaces happiness than "happiness indices." one is a real statistic and the other is completely made up. and what is your evidence that enough old farts are offing themselves as compared to teh US to make up this rather significant difference?
Click to expand...

I think it should definitely be included, but if you look at the CDC figures, the highest demographic is still the elderly. We cannot overlook a lot of people take their own lives because of debilitating illness / QoL issues, and especially if they've reached ripe old age.

Which, I believe, is a fundamental human right.

Regardless, Swiss are richer and happier than the US.
 
#339
#339
utgibbs said:
I think it should definitely be included, but if you look at the CDC figures, the highest demographic is still the elderly. We cannot overlook a lot of people take their own lives because of debilitating illness / QoL issues, and especially if they've reached ripe old age.

Which, I believe, is a fundamental human right.

Regardless, Swiss are richer and happier than the US.
Click to expand...

and old farts here don't off themselves? what accounts for the 50% higher suicide rate (even if you factor in your assisted suicide) if they are so much happier than US?
 
#340
#340
droski said:
and old farts here don't off themselves? what accounts for the 50% higher suicide rate (even if you factor in your assisted suicide) if they are so much happier than US?
Click to expand...

Well, yes, that's exactly what the CDC data shows - the old farts constitute the largest demographic.

The rate is higher in a lot of non-Catholic, secular countries. The fact that every Swiss home has a gun is an important factor too, I should think.

Bhutan, again, leads the way here. A brief description of the metrics for GNH are here:

Gross national happiness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although I don't see suicide specifically, it may be characterized under mental illness to differentiate between the terminally ill who opt to die at their choosing vs those who are suffering from mental illness. An important distinction I would say.
 
#342
#342
utgibbs said:
Well, yes, that's exactly what the CDC data shows - the old farts constitute the largest demographic.

The rate is higher in a lot of non-Catholic, secular countries. The fact that every Swiss home has a gun is an important factor too, I should think.

Bhutan, again, leads the way here. A brief description of the metrics for GNH are here:

Gross national happiness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although I don't see suicide specifically, it may be characterized under mental illness to differentiate between the terminally ill who opt to die at their choosing vs those who are suffering from mental illness. An important distinction I would say.
Click to expand...

I stopped reading after this "There is no exact quantitative definition of GNH."
 
#344
#344
T-TownVol said:
yes....yes you are
Click to expand...

Oh, nicely played.

I agree there is some subjectivity to a Happiness Index, but they seem solid, measurable metrics to me, droski.

GNP is subjective as well. Why does a $1bn earthquake contribute just as much as $1bn in baseball ticket receipts? Why does sending the kids to nursery count, but staying home with Dad doesn't?
 
#345
#345
utgibbs said:
GNP is subjective as well. Why does a $1bn earthquake contribute just as much as $1bn in baseball ticket receipts? Why does sending the kids to nursery count, but staying home with Dad doesn't?
Click to expand...

it's not subjective.

because in reality both have the same economic impact.

Because Dad isn't producing an economic impact by staying at home.
 
#346
#346
droski said:
it's not subjective.

because in reality both have the same economic impact.

Because Dad isn't producing an economic impact by staying at home.
Click to expand...

Just like the pollinators don't have an economic impact?

:jawdrop:

The Man has got you exactly where he wants you, droski. David Palmer happens!
 
#348
#348
this thread has turned into one of the dumbest things I've ever read, punctuated by a signoff from a clown who was made to look like an idiot because he didn't know David Palmer stayed around longer than the Curry / Copeland crowd.

Pushing the time to actually reopen the ignore list. The volume of silliness simply can't be overcome without an enormous amount of time, patience and personal dumbing down.
 
#350
#350
CSpindizzy said:
Why the obsession with the happiness index?
Click to expand...

because he's failed to convince us that Keynesean economics works and now his tactic is to attempt to prove how miserable we are in the US compared to places like Uganda, Kazakhstan, and Papua-New Guinea.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top