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05_never_again said:
You'd think that someday people are going to realize the last sentence in your post.

The cops/airport security are the ones who are escaping a lot of blame in this. United asked the police that they remove this guy (they would argue he was trespassing when he refused to get out of the seat) but United didn't smash the guy's face. Yet the public backlash is directly entirely against United from what I can tell. Probably because you can vote with your wallet against United, but when cops screw up your recourse is very limited. They are the government and you're not.
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Fake outrage.
 
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The net is having too much fun with this situation:

http://www.duffelblog.com/2017/04/pentagon-awards-contract-united-airlines-forcibly-remove-assad/

The Pentagon announced Tuesday it had awarded a sole-source contract to United Airlines for work related to the forcible removal of President Bashar al-Assad from Syria.

The contract, worth $2.1 billion, tasks the airline company with locating Assad, grabbing him from his seat in the presidential palace, and “dragging him out of Damascus by his arms.” The contract also notes that Assad should be “asked several times, politely” to give up his seat of power, though if he refuses, United workers should bloody his nose up a bit, according to the posting at FedBizOpps.

It’s not yet clear whether United employees will actually carry out the forcible removal of Assad. One source said it’s possible the company may subcontract that portion of the work requirement to the Chicago Police Department, Wells Fargo, or Comcast.
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BigZiti09 said:
Yeah, if you refuse to get off the flight you're in the wrong. You don't own the plane. You are a customer but you have to play by their rules.
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It's ultimately for a judge to decide (if it goes that far), but you can argue that he was playing by their rules.

United's own policy does not stipulate what they can do once you board the plane. If they overbook and can't find volunteers, they can deny you a seat before boarding. It doesn't say anything about what they can do after boarding.

Their own damn policy is in a gray area, and as I said earlier if they had a lick of common sense or responsibility they would have chalked this up to a mistake and let all of them stay.

If they told this passenger at the gate he couldn't board, and he made a scene and had to be forcibly removed from the gate area, then your argument is more valid, IMO.
 
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Not to excuse the way it was handled, but based on both the first part where he is removed, then the part where he runs back on and says odd things, I have to wonder whether this guy had some sort of mental disability that contributed to the situation, and perhaps was not recognized by the security folks that dragged him off.

I mean, and again not to justify it, what right thinking person acts like that when threatened with force? Just to give up a seat? He's supposed to be a doctor, but I have to wonder if that is true. There does seem something off about the guy, throughout.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's ultimately for a judge to decide (if it goes that far), but you can argue that he was playing by their rules.

United's own policy does not stipulate what they can do once you board the plane. If they overbook and can't find volunteers, they can deny you a seat before boarding. It doesn't say anything about what they can do after boarding.

Their own damn policy is in a gray area, and as I said earlier if they had a lick of common sense or responsibility they would have chalked this up to a mistake and let all of them stay.

If they told this passenger at the gate he couldn't board, and he made a scene and had to be forcibly removed from the gate area, then your argument is more valid, IMO.
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Again, it's just another screw up by Delta. Just because they made the screw up of overbooking and then followed it up by making the screw up of letting him board first doesn't mean they lose the right to remove him.

Once he is asked to get off the plane and he refuses he becomes fair game for getting dragged off the plane like the idiot that he is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not to excuse the way it was handled, but based on both the first part where he is removed, then the part where he runs back on and says odd things, I have to wonder whether this guy had some sort of mental disability that contributed to the situation, and perhaps was not recognized by the security folks that dragged him off.

I mean, and again not to justify it, what right thinking person acts like that when threatened with force? Just to give up a seat? He's supposed to be a doctor, but I have to wonder if that is true. There does seem something off about the guy, throughout.
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I think he was concussed or woozy after taking that to the armrest. The repeating of "just kill me" after the incident is odd though.

He apparently really is a doctor. It has been reported this morning that he was convicted for writing fraudulent prescriptions in 2004 and lost his medical license, but has since got it back on some kind of limited basis. He has a clinic in Elizabethtown, KY.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think he was concussed or woozy after taking that to the armrest. The repeating of "just kill me" after the incident is odd though.

He apparently really is a doctor. It has been reported this morning that he was convicted for writing fraudulent prescriptions in 2004 and lost his medical license, but has since got it back on some kind of limited basis. He has a clinic in Elizabethtown, KY.
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So is this guy running a pill mill?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Again, it's just another screw up by Delta. Just because they made the screw up of overbooking and then followed it up by making the screw up of letting him board first doesn't mean they lose the right to remove him.

Once he is asked to get off the plane and he refuses he becomes fair game for getting dragged off the plane like the idiot that he is.
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It could, given that their ticketing policy (a contract) does not address what United can do relating to bumping you off a flight once you've boarded. All of this stuff is supposed to happen before boarding.
 
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05_never_again said:
It could, given that their ticketing policy (a contract) does not address what United can do relating to bumping you off a flight once you've boarded. All of this stuff is supposed to happen before boarding.
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I'm sure this guy isn't the first passenger to be removed. Just the first one to go bonkers and go viral.
 
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I'd bet the CEO took notice of this:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/11/investing/united-airlines-stock-passenger-flight-video/index.html

United Continental Holdings (UAL) weathered the initial waves of anger caused by the video on Monday, with shares closing with a 0.9% gain. But momentum shifted by Tuesday morning.

Earlier in the day, the stock was even lower, knocking off close to $1 billion off the company's market value. By the afternoon, the stock had recovered from the worst losses -- but its market value was still off by $600 million.
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Half a billion dollars of value in a single day should get someone's attention.
 
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The United Airlines passenger who was hauled off an overbooked plane is a poker-playing doctor from Kentucky with a sordid past.

Dr. David Dao, 69, who was captured in a now-viral video being forcibly dragged off the Louisville-bound flight at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport on Sunday, was working as a doctor specializing in pulmonary disease in Elizabethtown when he was convicted of trading prescription drugs for sexual favors.

According to documents filed with the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure, Dao was arrested in 2003 on the drug-related offenses following an undercover investigation.
 
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05_never_again said:
It could, given that their ticketing policy (a contract) does not address what United can do relating to bumping you off a flight once you've boarded. All of this stuff is supposed to happen before boarding.
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Ok. What f they overbooked by 10 people? What then? Let people fly standing in the aisle?

They have the right to remove the guy. He can sue them for breach of contract or whatever for overbooking and costing him time/money.

Personally I hope he gets zilch.
 
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Hoosier_Vol said:
The United Airlines passenger who was hauled off an overbooked plane is a poker-playing doctor from Kentucky with a sordid past.

Dr. David Dao, 69, who was captured in a now-viral video being forcibly dragged off the Louisville-bound flight at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport on Sunday, was working as a doctor specializing in pulmonary disease in Elizabethtown when he was convicted of trading prescription drugs for sexual favors.

According to documents filed with the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure, Dao was arrested in 2003 on the drug-related offenses following an undercover investigation.
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In other words, this guy is a lowlife scumbag who is gonna cash in because his temper tantrum went viral via a faux outrage social media mob.
 
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This story is interesting in the sense that it shows how the market's natural mechanisms can be better regulators than the government...

United was probably within their legal rights and in order to get justice, according to how the masses view the case, the courts will have to basically say **** off to their own laws....

Contrast that with the market, which is just killing United. Stock is down 3% today and they are dealing with a PR nightmare. They learned the hard way that they need to up the compensation for bumping people and their policy will change. No need for government.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This story is interesting in the sense that it shows how the market's natural mechanisms can be better regulators than the government...

United was probably within their legal rights and in order to get justice, according to how the masses view the case, the courts will have to basically say **** off to their own laws....

Contrast that with the market, which is just killing United. Stock is down 3% today and they are dealing with a PR nightmare. They learned the hard way that they need to up the compensation for bumping people and their policy will change. No need for government.
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Good post.
 
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