Unofficial Tusculum game thread

#201
#201
bleedingTNorange said:
So top 7 in a 4-5 bid league and we're a very experienced team with an enormous amount of starts?

Ok.

Very experienced would be top 2, maybe 3 IMO. If you're conceding that we probably fall into the 5-7 range of experienced teams in the SEC, I would likely agree.
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We are in the top 3 if not number 1 when combining talent and experience.

Its clearly a lack of basketball knowledge to suggest that our experience is anything but a very solid positive regarding our potential success.
 
#202
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BruinVol said:
We are in the top 3 if not number 1 when combining talent and experience.

Its clearly a lack of basketball knowledge to suggest that our experience is anything but a very solid positive regarding our potential success.
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So now you're changing your stance, gotcha. I didn't mention the word talent once, and would be foolish to say we aren't talented. However, thinking this team is one of the most experienced teams out there is just an uneducated statement.
 
#203
#203
bleedingTNorange said:
So now you're changing your stance, gotcha. I didn't mention the word talent once, and would be foolish to say we aren't talented. However, thinking this team is one of the most experienced teams out there is just an uneducated statement.
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We are clearly one of the more experienced team that matters in the SEC. If miss state, usce has a few more starts or any other pitiful team what does that matter??

Experience is a reason this team should succeed. You can twist that all you want but Half season has every tool he needs to be successful and experience is one big part of that
 
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#204
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BruinVol said:
We are clearly one of the more experienced team that matters in the SEC. If miss state, usce has a few more starts or any other pitiful team what does that matter??

Experience is a reason this team should succeed. You can twist that all you want but Half season has every tool he needs to be success and experience is one big part of that
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Like I said, you changed your stance and that's fine. If you're agreeing that this team has decent to average experience, then we're good.

I just didn't agree that they're very experienced, or one of the more experienced teams in the country, like I've seen thrown around.
 
#211
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Take notice I've never said they're inexperienced, or that their experience is an issue or a negative. I have simply been saying I don't think they're some overly experienced team (top 3 SEC, top 20 NCAA), that is all.
 
#212
#212
bleedingTNorange said:
Take notice I've never said they're inexperienced, or that their experience is an issue or a negative. I have simply been saying I don't think they're some overly experienced team (top 3 SEC, top 20 NCAA), that is all.
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So is our experience a positive or a negative??

No in between
 
#216
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BruinVol said:
So is our experience a positive or a negative??

No in between
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It's a positive, we aren't inexperienced, and never said we were. However to act as though our experience is at such a high volume that it's an advantage over the entire league is foolish.

We've got decent to average experience, as I've already said, but it's not some huge advantage by any means.

How much NCAA experience does this team have?
 
#218
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's a positive, we aren't inexperienced, and never said we were. However to act as though our experience is at such a high volume that it's an advantage over the entire league is foolish.

We've got decent to average experience, as I've already said, but it's not some huge advantage by any means.

How much NCAA experience does this team have?
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We have a huge experience advantage over kentucky which is one of the few real threats this team should have had in the SEC. So yes experience is a huge thing that should pay off for this team
 
#219
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BruinVol said:
So 4th in a league of 14 is only decent in a category???

I would say that is well above average
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Not to stir the pot, but shouldn't the actual number compared to the average number be what determines what is "well above average" or "average"? The ranking doesn't seem like it has much to do with it.

for example:

Team Value Rank
A 10 1
B 5.6 2
C 5.5 3
D 5.2 4
E 5.0 5
F 4.8 6
G 4.5 7
H 4.1 8
I 1.0 9

You might say that Team B is "well above average" because they're ranked 2nd out of 9 in this catagory. However, they're only .6 above the average of 5.0 which may or may not be really significant considering that Team A is so much better.
 
#220
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Col_Cathcart said:
Not to stir the pot, but shouldn't the actual number compared to the average number be what determines what is "well above average" or "average"? The ranking doesn't seem like it has much to do with it.

for example:

Team Value Rank
A 10 1
B 5.6 2
C 5.5 3
D 5.2 4
E 5.0 5
F 4.8 6
G 4.5 7
H 4.1 8
I 1.0 9

You might say that Team B is "well above average" because they're ranked 2nd out of 9 in this catagory. However, they're only .6 above the average of 5.0 which may or may not be really significant considering that Team A is so much better.
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I agree. Nice thought
 
#221
#221
Here's my final thought because arguing with Bruin gets nowhere, as everyone on this board knows.

All I was ever saying was that I don't think we are some crazy experienced team, in other words not one of the more experienced in the country.

Now I'm not just talking starts, but factoring in playing together as well. As I mentioned a few pages back, Barton has played SG and has never played with these guys, he's not a typical senior PG. Maymon may be a 5th year senior, but he's pleaded less than 2 full seasons of games.

Then our first 3 guys off the bench are all freshman. I think we have solid experience, but it wouldn't be one of the first things out of my mouth if someone asked, what makes this team good.

Players and coaches have all said, this team is great off the court and gets along, but they need to play more together on the court because the chemistry isn't there on the court. I think you're seeing this team gel more lately and that part of the reason to why their play has improved.

Anyways...GBO!
 
#223
#223
bleedingTNorange said:
Something else I disagree with, and I've been guilty of it, is referring to this team as "experienced". On the surface they would appear to be, our starting lineup is 3 seniors and 2 juniors, however that's a bit deceiving.

Barton is a senior, but this is his first year playing with these guys, not your typical senior. Also add in that he has played a lot of 2 guard, and he's definitely not what many would considered an "experienced senior PG". On top of that, he missed probably the 3 most important weeks of practice, that was huge.

This is Jordan McRae's first year as a full time starter, he's never been in that spot.

Josh is pretty experienced, but not much experience with the surrounding guys.

Maymon on paper sounds like he'd be really experienced right? Maymon had only played in 56 career games entering this year. In comparison Josh Richardson had played in 67 games entering this year. Factor in that he hadn't played in over a year, and he's not as experienced as he appears on paper, and definitely not expedited with his surrounding cast on this team.

Icing on the cake? We go 8 maybe 9 deep, first 3 guys off the bench are freshman. How many other teams in the country can say that? I don't think this team is nearly as experienced, as I or many others once thought.

JMO
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I think u r back tracking and making excuses bc this team is no where near the team yet that we all envisioned.
 
#224
#224
bleedingTNorange said:
Why would they want to add a L to their record if they don't have to? Seems like common sense to me, no?
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Looking at their record would it really matter at this point ? And suppose they would have got lucky and won - I am sure the tune would have changed.
 
#225
#225
volbeast33 said:
I think u r back tracking and making excuses bc this team is no where near the team yet that we all envisioned.
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Do I think the on court chemistry could be a reason that we started slow? Partially, but that in no way excuses Coach Martin.

This team hasn't played much at all together, and their starting PG (the most important position on the floor) is in his first year with the team.
 
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