Up Tempo or Slow it Down??

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zjcvols said:
I'm just not seeing this in terms of strictly getting out and pushing the tempo more. A little bit? Yeah, sure. I just don't see this whole philosophical change that some are claiming. Maybe I'm wrong.

I can tell usually when we are in trouble. It's when our offense is not running the offense and UT goes through the motions of the motion offense.
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I agree with this. Martin has always wanted guys to push off rebounds if it's there, it was getting them to understand it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Martin has always wanted guys to push off rebounds if it's there, it was getting them to understand it.
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I just don't think after a year And a half under martin they were still trying to understand what he wanted to do in transition. I think he changed and not the kids. Jmo
 
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zjcvols said:
Pace for Tennessee hasn't been an issue. They've played fast sometimes, they've won and lost. They've played slow sometimes, they've won and lost. Pace doesn't really matter for UT.

When they run their offense properly i.e. attacking the basket, play good D, and don't turn the ball over, they win
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I disagree that pace doesn't matter. This team plays better when we get the ball down the court quickly and attack early. If we walk it up and run the shot clock down, we aren't as good.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I disagree that pace doesn't matter. This team plays better when we get the ball down the court quickly and attack early. If we walk it up and run the shot clock down, we aren't as good.
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That's different than pace.

Playing fast doesn't mean you are pushing the pace.
 
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Getting the ball up the court quickly and attacking early is the exact definition of creating pace IMO. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise.
 
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BruinVol said:
Getting the ball up the court quickly and attacking early is the exact definition of creating pace IMO. Not sure how anyone can argue it isn't.
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Are we talking about UT looking to run and get fastbreak buckets, or running the offense.

I think we are talking different things over a word.

UT has pushed the pace a little more. However, they aren't pushing the pace in terms of getting fastbreak buckets/looking to get fastbreak buckets. They are playing faster in the sense that they get their offense going earlier in the shot clock and running their offense, instead of holding the ball until ten seconds left in the shot clock.
 
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zjcvols said:
UT has pushed the pace a little more. However, they aren't pushing the pace in terms of getting fastbreak buckets/looking to get fastbreak buckets. .
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I would be shocked if the numbers don't prove this is incorrect.

Is there a stat on fast break points in each game??


If so I would bet they prove fast break points have improved dramatically
 
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UT fastbreak points last eight games:

South Carolina- 4
Vandy- 2
Kentucky- 6
LSU- 8
TAMU-6
UF- 6
UGA- 6
Auburn- 4

Tennessee fastbreak points the previous five games:

Ole Miss- 2
Alabama- 0
Vandy- 2
Arkansas- 6
Georgia- 9
 
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Zjc I think I understand your opinion regarding pace.

The change we have seen isn't a full court kind of philosophy but only one that gets us into our offense in a quicker and more aggressive manner.


I believe that's what you are saying and I think we all are saying something close to just that.


The differences will show some changes in fast break baskets scored but not a drastic change as you posted. The biggest difference will be seen in possessions per game which has to be significantly higher than earlier in the year.
 
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BruinVol said:
Zjc I think I understand your opinion regarding pace.

The change we have seen isn't a full court kind of philosophy but only one that gets us into our offense in a quicker and more aggressive manner.


I believe that's what you are saying and I think we all are saying something close to just that.


The differences will show some changes in fast break baskets scored but not a drastic change as you posted. The biggest difference will be seen in possessions per game which has to be significantly higher than earlier in the year.
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Exactly my point. :hi:
 
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zjcvols said:
Exactly my point. :hi:
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Ok now that I understand your point and we have some common ground I think we can discuss the original point of the thread.


Anytime you attempt to push the ball quickly up the court against a team that wants a full court game like Missouri you run the risk of just that happening.


The original question was is Martin willing to take that risk or will he go back to the style of walking the ball up the court which seems to hamper our success??
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok now that I understand your point and we have some common ground I think we can discuss the original point of the thread.


Anytime you attempt to push the ball quickly up the court against a team that wants a full court game like Missouri you run the risk of just that happening.


The original question was is Martin willing to take that risk or will he go back to the style of walking the ball up the court which seems to hamper our success??
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What style would you say we played against Florida?
 
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BruinVol said:
I think we pushed it up the court but it certainly was a controlled pace. That's the style I think best fits us but it does come with a risk against a team like Missouri IMO.
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Agree, and it's the style I think best benefits us period really. We tried the almost out of control fast pace against Memphis in the first half and it definitely didn't work...you have to pick and choose your spots and sometimes has to do simply with whose on the floor. That's why I say Martin has always wanted the ball pushed in certain scenarios, he's always said it, I just think the guys are starting to better understand where and when those spots are.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Agree, and it's the style I think best benefits us period really. We tried the almost out of control fast pace against Memphis in the first half and it definitely didn't work...you have to pick and choose your spots and sometimes has to do simply with whose on the floor. That's why I say Martin has always wanted the ball pushed in certain scenarios, he's always said it, I just think the guys are starting to better understand where and when those spots are.
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The memphis example does contradict my opinion that martin has just made this change late in the season. That game also is an example of how playing the style can go past that desired line and hurt us against team like Missouri.
 
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BruinVol said:
The memphis example does contradict my opinion that martin has just made this change late in the season. That game also is an example of how playing the style can go past that desired line and hurt us against team like Missouri.
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Exactly.
 
#45
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BruinVol said:
Bto

My belief in the memphis game would be because we got so far behind we had to push the pace and that it wasn't part of the plan.
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We ran from the start and got behind BIG...we climbed back in by still pushing the pace, but being much more controlled and taking care of the ball.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We ran from the start and got behind BIG...we climbed back in by still pushing the pace, but being much more controlled and taking care of the ball.
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You may very well be correct but I Remeber their hot shooting creating such a big lead and then us running trying to catch up. Regardless its a good example for this topic.
 
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BruinVol said:
You may very well be correct but I Remeber their hot shooting creating such a big lead and then us running trying to catch up. Regardless its a good example for this topic.
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We were playing uncharacteristically fast from the tip, I remember because I was 3 rows behind Martin and he kept telling them to slow down lol.
 
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My question to the OP would be do we think Martin is changing his philosophy or is he just now getting these guys to a place to play the way he has always wanted to play? CCM has always said he like to push the ball but he wants the players to know the right moments to push and when to set up and run the offense.

s/n I imagine CCM's offense ideally would be very similar to Indiana's offense. JMO
 
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e-VOL-ution2013 said:
My question to the OP would be do we think Martin is changing his philosophy or is he just now getting these guys to a place to play the way he has always wanted to play? CCM has always said he like to push the ball but he wants the players to know the right moments to push and when to set up and run the offense.

s/n I imagine CCM's offense ideally would be very similar to Indiana's offense. JMO
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If martin had wanted to push tempo like this all along then he has done a poor job of getting his team to perform his wishes. A year and a half is too long to get your point across. That's why I think he changed his philosophy.
 
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