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#27
#27
I really wish that the "if we do this against Georgia we'll get killed", or some variation of that which suggests that schemes and adjustments aren't changed weekly to take advantage of that week's opponent's weaknesses. One week's results against one team mean next to nothing when looking at next week. If that was the case, we could feel pretty confident that Georgia is imploding based on the Ole Miss game.

It was clear that Banks was willing to sacrifice some rushing yardage to shut down MSU's pass game, which had been their strength coming in, and mission accomplished there. We had some bad gap integrity and sloppy second-level tackling which made some runs and QB scrambles look better than they might have.
 
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#28
kckempf said:
The light box frustrated me but it was clearly intentional. Leach's offense automatically checks to a run against a light box, so we were discouraging their passing offense. We had confidence that even with a light box we could get enough negative plays to cause their drives to fail, which is exactly what happened. When they did pass, it was obvious passing downs and they faced insurmountable pressure. It looked like bad run defense but it was great defensive strategy. Only Texas held them to fewer points, and we held them to fewer yards.
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This shows a lack of understanding by Banks then. Because this is not Mike Leach’s offense. Mike has passed away and Lebby uses very similar concepts to Tennessees that prioritizes the run game to open up passing lanes. Vertical run game. Vertical pass game but the emphasis is on establishing the run. And with a freshman QB that’s even more the case. With our pass rush ability there was absolutely no reason to play a light box all night.

All that said I won’t question the outcome though. Only gave up 14 but it should have been no more than 7 as we had them on the ropes.
 
#29
#29
Some people subscribe to the idea that the only defensive stat that really matters is ppg. Not saying that’s completely true, but after seeing how effective their run game was vs the amount of times they actually ended up in the end zone is pretty telling to what our game plan was for them, even if it was frustrating to watch.
 
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UT97Vol said:
This shows a lack of understanding by Banks then. Because this is not Mike Leach’s offense. Mike has passed away and Lebby uses very similar concepts to Tennessees that prioritizes the run game to open up passing lanes. Vertical run game. Vertical pass game but the emphasis is on establishing the run. And with a freshman QB that’s even more the case. With our pass rush ability there was absolutely no reason to play a light box all night.

All that said I won’t question the outcome though. Only gave up 14 but it should have been no more than 7 as we had them on the ropes.
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Okay, amend that. Lebby and Heupel both run against light box as well, because they have the same pre-snap read that Leach did.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Or maybe hhe did but they just executed...sometimes you have to give credit to the other team for doing something right
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Not here

Most of the mouthbreathers only see tn sucking or the other team.sucking.

But will spend all off season chest screaming how awesome tn is
 
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We had linebackers evacuating the box on snap, I think they did this against KY also but more this week. Basically leaving 4 in the box, very strange. What happened to DE's holding the edge and LB's filling the run gaps and blitzing. Coaches know more than me but if we do this against every running QB we will be gashed on runs and short passes over the middle if the LB's keep bailing to the edges on snap.
 
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ReelfootVol said:
If we cannot stop the run game on State, we can forget attempting to stop it on Georgia...............just my opinion.
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You may be right, but those are two polar opposite offenses to defend. So, it's hard to really compare IMO.
 
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livefaith said:
You may be right, but those are two polar opposite offenses to defend. So, it's hard to really compare IMO.
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Agreed. But kind of depends which Carson Beck we get. He’s been everything from pedestrian to elite from one week to the next. Looks like they’ve been having some O-line problems. Hopefully we can exploit that. Have to win all three phases to beat them. They beat Texas with only 280 yards of offense.
 
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We dared them to. On one play we didn't have anyone between the tackles including a LB. That play went for about 20 yards.
 
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#37
We were more spread out on defense this year than I have seen in other games.

I think we could learn a lot about Miss State and how to get defenses to be more spread out against us. Miss State had some interesting things they did on offense from a play-calling perspective. If they get some talent, I could see Lebby making noise.
 
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UT97Vol said:
As I mentioned last night I don’t understand the light box all night especially after it was clear they were just going to try to run the ball.

We continually only had five in the box and got gashed quite a bit. Only six in the box on that 4th and 1 in the first half. What was that??
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Especially in the second half , forcing MissSt to run along with our long run oriented drives ate up the clock.

But as it was happening, I was doing some cussing just like everybody else.
 
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25vol said:
Some people subscribe to the idea that the only defensive stat that really matters is ppg. Not saying that’s completely true, but after seeing how effective their run game was vs the amount of times they actually ended up in the end zone is pretty telling to what our game plan was for them, even if it was frustrating to watch.
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I don’t think it was Bank’s game plan for our LB’s to vacate the box as soon as the ball was snapped. Yes, they were double team blocking on our D tackles but our LB’s were taking themselves out of the play as often as they were getting blocked by Miss St. it’s a young and talented LB room and hopefully they will use the game as a learning opportunity to improve.
 
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JacketVol said:
Regardless, we lacked gap integrity way to much in this game.
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Please don't ever talk about gap integrity again. Brings back dark memories of Dooley who used that as an excuse for every loss we had.
The scoreboard is the measure of total defense success not yards running or yards passing.
 
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UT97Vol said:
This shows a lack of understanding by Banks then. Because this is not Mike Leach’s offense. Mike has passed away and Lebby uses very similar concepts to Tennessees that prioritizes the run game to open up passing lanes. Vertical run game. Vertical pass game but the emphasis is on establishing the run. And with a freshman QB that’s even more the case. With our pass rush ability there was absolutely no reason to play a light box all night.

All that said I won’t question the outcome though. Only gave up 14 but it should have been no more than 7 as we had them on the ropes.
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Not true.

Bulldogs threw for 294 against Texas and over 300 against Georgia. Passing is still the strong side of their offense and Banks committed to stopping it, which they did magnificently.
 
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ReelfootVol said:
If we cannot stop the run game on State, we can forget attempting to stop it on Georgia...............just my opinion.
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We have stopped the run all year, especially when it counted. Everybody gives up yards sometimes. Good grief we haven’t given up 20 in a game all year, we must be doing something right.I guess you are ready to fire some defensive coaches now. Go look at our stats for the year on D and come back and tell us what you learned! GBO
 
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casual-observer said:
This.

Coming into the game, Mississippi State was ranked something around 30th nationally in passing, averaging 255 yards and 14.6 points per game.

While their rushing numbers were up big and they seemed to plow off a lot of yards, they only managed 92 yards passing last night and zero points. And running the ball cost them a lot of precious time.

It was a good trade by Banks and company.
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Thanks for explaining this. I was flabbergasted last night watching us leave a huge gap for them to run through. Had to watch at BWW with no sound. Did the announcers talk about this?
 
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#48
WoodsmanVol said:
Kentucky did the same. It's going to happen again. My take is we have a few guys who are overconfident and missing/ignoring their assignments. Wanting to get a sack, TFL, or other self-glorifying play. Get back to basics and being more humble, I think.
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TN will never hold a team to zero points and zero yards. This isn’t 1939, 9 games with the opponent under 20 points look how many times that’s happened. Like others have stated it was clearly the game plan, and it worked like a charm.
 
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casual-observer said:
Not true.

Bulldogs threw for 294 against Texas and over 300 against Georgia. Passing is still the strong side of their offense and Banks committed to stopping it, which they did magnificently.
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They threw more because they were way behind in both games in the second half. So not true back at ya.
 
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#50
WoodsmanVol said:
Kentucky did the same. It's going to happen again. My take is we have a few guys who are overconfident and missing/ignoring their assignments. Wanting to get a sack, TFL, or other self-glorifying play. Get back to basics and being more humble, I think.
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We miss KP. All the motion by State got Carter and Linebackers out of position. They will learn to maintain gaps
 
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