Update on the Big Ten v. SEC

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Vanderbilt 4-0 15-3
Kentucky 4-1 19-1
Tennessee 3-1 15-3
Florida 3-2 14-5
South Carolina 3-3 12-8
Georgia 1-3 9-8

There is not a truly bad team listed above. South Carolina beat Kentucky, Georgia beat us, beat Illinois, beat Georgia Tech and Florida beat Michigan State.

Mississippi St. 3-1 15-4
Mississippi 3-2 15-4
Alabama 2-3 12-7

All 3 of these teams are pretty good and Alabama owns wins over Big Ten teams and was up huge over Purdue before letting them mount a ferocious comeback. Only two will go to the NCAAs.

Arkansas 1-3 8-11
Auburn 1-4 10-10
LSU 0-5 9-10

These teams are really and truly bad, but not as bad as the bottom of the Big 10.

Michigan St. 8-0 18-3
Wisconsin 6-2 16-4
Purdue 4-3 16-3
Ohio St. 4-3 14-6
All teams above are headed to the NCAAs. Ohio State has in Evan Turner the best player in the Big 10, and possibly the best player in the country. His return from his back injury is remarkable.
Illinois 4-3 12-8
Minnesota 4-4 13-7
Indiana 3-4 9-10
Northwestern 3-5 14-6
Michigan 3-5 10-10

So the guys on here (several) who said the Big 10 get 6 bids, who are you thinking is tourney bound? NW about to go on a run? Maybe Minnesota?

Iowa 2-5 8-12
Penn St. 0-7 8-11

Look at OOC wins, look at how many good to great teams there are etc.

The Big East is the best conference. The ACC did well non conference (lowest ranked RPI team in conference is 90) but does not have a single elite seeming team at this point. The Big 12 has lots of teams that look dangerous in Texas, Kansas, Kansas State and Baylor to name 4. But the SEC will by March be the third or probably 4th best conference in the country. It will also be better than the Big 10.
 
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No Timmy, I am saying that UGA is not a bad team and given they have beaten Illinois, it should tell us a lot that the last place SEC East team is better than half the Big 10.

The teams in the SEC that are locks to the tournament are Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Ole Miss. Mississippi State, Florida and even South Carolina all have a shot without winning the SEC Tournament. Any of those three would need an extraordinary run (for South Carolina almost an impossible one like losing only 2 more games for the rest of conference play) but all have a chance. No one else in the SEC has a chance they would need to win the SECT to get in like Miss State did last year.

The SEC gets 5 or 6 teams in the tournament. The Big 10 gets less than the SEC and is a worse conference. That is what I have said all year.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
No Timmy, I am saying that UGA is not a bad team and given they have beaten Illinois, it should tell us a lot that the last place SEC East team is better than half the Big 10.

The teams in the SEC that are locks to the tournament are Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Ole Miss. Mississippi State, Florida and even South Carolina all have a shot without winning the SEC Tournament. Any of those three would need an extraordinary run (for South Carolina almost an impossible one like losing only 2 more games for the rest of conference play) but all have a chance. No one else in the SEC has a chance they would need to win the SECT to get in like Miss State did last year.

The SEC gets 5 or 6 teams in the tournament. The Big 10 gets less than the SEC and is a worse conference. That is what I have said all year.
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As always, you are completely wrong. No way the SEC gets 5 or 6 teams in and no way the conference is better than the Big 10.
 
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As always you bring opinion as fact without backing it up.

Go ahead and tell us again why the Big 10 is better than the SEC. Use your words.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
As always you bring opinion as fact without backing it up.

Go ahead and tell us again why the Big 10 is better than the SEC. Use your words.
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You make predictions as fact and try to back it up with senseless garbage. The SEC is not strong this year--any intelligent follower of basketball can see that. We have 1-4 teams that will qualify for the tournament. We can make silly predictions about a team by team match-up with another conference and who we think would win. However, the body of work of each team is what really matters and will reveal the strength of each team and each conference.
 
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Vanderbilt is in no way a lock to get into the tournament yet. If they come out of this 8 game stretch in good shape, then you can claim that.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
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You make predictions as fact and try to back it up with senseless garbage. The SEC is not strong this year--any intelligent follower of basketball can see that. We have 1-4 teams that will qualify for the tournament. We can make silly predictions about a team by team match-up with another conference and who we think would win. However, the body of work of each team is what really matters and will reveal the strength of each team and each conference.
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Do you think at some point you will want to examine the body of work for each team? The ACC has shocking parity and seems to lack elite talent this year, but because the worst teams are still pretty good they are a better conference than the SEC. That is despite the SEC having a better head to head record and more ranked teams.

However looking at the body of work, you cannot tell me that the Big 10 is better than the SEC. You also cannot find conferences other than the Big 12, the ACC and the Big East that are better than the SEC this year. If being the 4th best conference in the country means you are "not strong" we have a different definition of strength.

Many of the "intelligent followers of basketball" on here are on record as saying the SEC will not get more than 3 in, and that the Big Ten will have 6. They are wrong and wrong.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
No Timmy, I am saying that UGA is not a bad team and given they have beaten Illinois, it should tell us a lot that the last place SEC East team is better than half the Big 10.

The teams in the SEC that are locks to the tournament are Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Ole Miss. Mississippi State, Florida and even South Carolina all have a shot without winning the SEC Tournament. Any of those three would need an extraordinary run (for South Carolina almost an impossible one like losing only 2 more games for the rest of conference play) but all have a chance. No one else in the SEC has a chance they would need to win the SECT to get in like Miss State did last year.

The SEC gets 5 or 6 teams in the tournament. The Big 10 gets less than the SEC and is a worse conference. That is what I have said all year.
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You can't take games out of context like that; it makes you look stupid. The Big 10 could just say, "Well, Illinois, the fifth place team in the Big 10 just beat Vandy by double digits, who is leading the SEC East." The bottomline is, it is way too early to act like with certainty that one conference is significantly better than the other. It's probably closer this year than in years past; however, I would probably give the edge to the Big 10 because I think our top 5 teams against their top 5 teams would result in them winning the majority of the games.
 
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You can't use logic in responding to MHF. Unless you are willing to write a paragraph and list every team of every conference and their won/loss record, without any regard to who they actually played, you can't have a discussion with him. He spends endless hours with senseless predictions to try to make himself look as if he has some level of basketball knowledge. Unfortunately, he fails each time.
 
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LawVol13 said:
You can't take games out of context like that; it makes you look stupid. The Big 10 could just say, "Well, Illinois, the fifth place team in the Big 10 just beat Vandy by double digits, who is leading the SEC East." The bottomline is, it is way too early to act like with certainty that one conference is significantly better than the other. It's probably closer this year than in years past; however, I would probably give the edge to the Big 10 because I think our top 5 teams against their top 5 teams would result in them winning the majority of the games.
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Michigan St. is playing some damn good basketball right now. Michigan has been underachieving all year. That was fairly evident last night.
 
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emainvol said:
Michigan St. is playing some damn good basketball right now. Michigan has been underachieving all year. That was fairly evident last night.
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I agree. Mich. State is impressive and would hammer Florida if they played today. I also agree with Michigan. They just can not get over the hump.
 
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I think the SEC will get 5-6 teams. And the SEC is without a doubt better than the Big10. Good post.

Big East
ACC
Big12
SEC
Big10
Pac10
 
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shot0fclarity08 said:
I think the SEC will get 5-6 teams. And the SEC is without a doubt better than the Big10. Good post.

Big East
ACC
Big12
SEC
Big10
Pac10
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Well that pretty much settles it. After that in-depth breakdown of the conferences, I think it's clear.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I agree. Mich. State is impressive and would hammer Florida if they played today. I also agree with Michigan. They just can not get over the hump.
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MHF and some other SEC fanboys are not going to be very happy if Michigan puts a run together and wins the Big 10 tourney.
 
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emainvol said:
MHF and some other SEC fanboys are not going to be very happy if Michigan puts a run together and wins the Big 10 tourney.
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I really think that is a real possibility. They are very well coached and have some good guards. I think they'll get a big W at some point and get rolling. They are very close to being a pretty damn good team.
 
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Michigan St. will win the Big 10 and make a run in the tournament. I thought Purdue was the best team, but Michigan St. continues to improve while Purdue stays the same.
 
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I'm getting a good laugh out of the ridiculous assertion that the ACC is better than the Big 12.
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My post does not list conference strength other than the SEC being better than the Big 10.

It is difficult to say much other than the Big East is the best.

I am laughing at someone on this thread laughing at the ACC being better than the Big 12 when they said as much a few months ago.

Of course, they also said NC State would finish at the bottom of the ACC...
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
My post does not list conference strength other than the SEC being better than the Big 10.

It is difficult to say much other than the Big East is the best.

I am laughing at someone on this thread laughing at the ACC being better than the Big 12 when they said as much a few months ago.

Of course, they also said NC State would finish at the bottom of the ACC...
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Umm... you do realize that NC State is ranked 11th out of 12 right now, correct?
 
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