Updated recruiting rankings

#27
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TGVol said:
Presumably the same UT fans who are willing to accept being fifth in SEC football rankings as a great accomplishment (which it actually is right now), but have actively petitioned against UT bb coach who finished top 5 in the SEC 3 years in a row in actual W-L column (more meaningful statistic). That's where the post came from - frustration with how inconsistent and irrational our fans can be.
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we were right about Zo.....let it go
 
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#29
#29
Butch is the man! Recruiting, APR.....and it may take alittle time but this will all translate to wins and getting the Vols back in the SEC race. So proud of this coaching staff!
 
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CroKev said:
We're neck and neck with 3 of the 4 teams ahead of us. It's Bama that is leaving everybody else in its dust.
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yet few are picking them to win the West this year that ..that would be Auburn .. Who is unfazed what 😥Bammer does
that would be Auburn ...
 
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TGVol said:
Presumably the same UT fans who are willing to accept being fifth in SEC football rankings as a great accomplishment (which it actually is right now), but have actively petitioned against UT bb coach who finished top 5 in the SEC 3 years in a row in actual W-L column (more meaningful statistic). That's where the post came from - frustration with how inconsistent and irrational our fans can be.
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I'm getting sick of hearing about our irrational fans when Penn State had fans that worshipped their coach who kept mum about pedophilia on campus and Alabama fired a 10-win football coach one time. Please stop with the "our irrational fan base" crap. It's really - REALLY - getting old.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
I'm getting sick of hearing about our irrational fans when Penn State had fans that worshipped their coach who kept mum about pedophilia on campus and Alabama fired a 10-win football coach one time. Please stop with the "our irrational fan base" crap. It's really - REALLY - getting old.
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^This
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
I'm getting sick of hearing about our irrational fans when Penn State had fans that worshipped their coach who kept mum about pedophilia on campus and Alabama fired a 10-win football coach one time. Please stop with the "our irrational fan base" crap.
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I actually agree.

1. Penn State fans were WRONG worshipping Patterno
2. Alabama was WRONG firing 10 win football coach
3. UT fans were WRONG petitioning Cuonzo

The fact those other fans were dumb does not absolve ours of being dumb. Or are we only going to criticize others?
 
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#35
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, this. OP is wrong.

5th in the SEC doesn't actually make me feel super pumped up about our recruiting at this point.
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It doesn't until you notice we are 1st in the East...so that is the glass half full way to look at it...

EDIT: I need to read the whole thread before I prematurely post (ok go ahead with the jokes). I notice it has been pointed out a couple of times or 5.
 
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TGVol said:
I actually agree.

1. Penn State fans were WRONG worshipping Patterno
2. Alabama was WRONG firing 10 win football coach
3. UT fans were WRONG petitioning Cuonzo

The fact those other fans were dumb does not absolve ours of being dumb. Or are we only going to criticize others?
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Not only do I disagree with your "assessment" in #3, your "assessment" is not even a factual one. There is NO such thing as "petitioning Cuonzo". None. The petition was to bring back the 2nd most successful coach in UTBB history who most certainly was coming available, publicly praised our Uni after being fired, married a wife from the area, and still has a home in Knoxville. It was an upgrade laid at our feet ... and The Barn swept in for the prize.

Our loaded BB team was hovering just > .500, on the NCAAT bubble, and deep in an inconsistent season. All while loaded with experienced talent. The recruiting class was ranked around 50th in the nation, and nearly all the talent (significant amounts from Pearl's tenure) were leaving at years end. 2014 was destined to the dumpster.

Thankfully, as admitted by the coach himself, the players found motivation in the environment surrounding the petition and went on a favorable NCAA run that looked about like what most everyone expected from the start of the year. The giant question is ... why did it take THAT to motivate this kind of talent to play as expected? Why were they not passionate for all / most of the 20 games to that point?

CCM is not a dumb man and took the first train outta Knoxville knowing what 14' was going to bring on the court and from the fanbase. He bought himself 3-4 years of positive cash flow in Berkeley and walked away with a "Sweet 16 coach" persona. I'm happy for him and his family too, because I believe he is a great guy. But his performance here was average at best IMO.

But this IS a business and those being circumspect about the state of the program knew we were headed downward after 14'. Had CCM / UT not slipped into a "Rnd 1" (aka play in game) of the NCAAT, then he would be seen almost universally as a failure. Thankfully, for us and him, it turned out differently. Since it is a competitive business (just like for players), UT was blessed to replace him rather than get saddled with another big buyout and what was trending toward mediocrity.

So, first of all, you should get the facts straight before calling fellow fans "irrational". Secondly, I suggest avoiding the upper crust national sports news emanating out of Connecticut, and pay closer attention to what you can see actually happening right in your own back yard.

More importantly, as dude stated above, it's past time to move on from that phase. The new coach has set off a nuke on the recruiting trail in the past week and we are looking up for the future. :thumbsup:
 
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Remy said:
yet few are picking them to win the West this year that ..that would be Auburn .. Who is unfazed what 😥Bammer does
that would be Auburn ...
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I'm afraid AU is going to get fazed pretty heavily in Tuscaloosa this year. But who knows, like you said @ last year. Crazy unexpected.
 
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TGVol said:
Presumably the same UT fans who are willing to accept being fifth in SEC football rankings as a great accomplishment (which it actually is right now), but have actively petitioned against UT bb coach who finished top 5 in the SEC 3 years in a row in actual W-L column (more meaningful statistic). That's where the post came from - frustration with how inconsistent and irrational our fans can be.
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Your making 0 sense. None. Nine. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
 
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livefaith said:
Not only do I disagree with your "assessment" in #3, your "assessment" is not even a factual one. There is NO such thing as "petitioning Cuonzo". None.
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Really? And how do you bring back another coach without firing the current one? :crazy:
The answer is that you can't - so it was obviously about petitioning that Cuonzo gets fired.
 
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TGVol said:
Really? And how do you bring back another coach without firing the current one? :crazy:
The answer is that you can't - so it was obviously about petitioning that Cuonzo gets fired.
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While doing A may cause B to happen, the petition was not for B which was your point and is wrong.
 
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TGVol said:
I actually agree.

1. Penn State fans were WRONG worshipping Patterno
2. Alabama was WRONG firing 10 win football coach
3. UT fans were WRONG petitioning Cuonzo

The fact those other fans were dumb does not absolve ours of being dumb. Or are we only going to criticize others?
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Don't really care to get in the middle of this melee but I like TRUTH..,,the petition wasn't against CCM.,,.. It was asking IF we hired a new coach..,,which it appeared CERTAIN at the time we would..,,let it be CBP.,,,just trying to keep it TRUTHFUL here....carry on.,,
 
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tennrich1 said:
Don't really care to get in the middle of this melee but I like TRUTH..,,the petition wasn't against CCM.,,.. It was asking IF we hired a new coach..,,which it appeared CERTAIN at the time we would..,,let it be CBP.,,,just trying to keep it TRUTHFUL here....carry on.,,
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Anyhow, this is the wrong thread for this conversation (my fault - shouldn't have brought in basketball into this thread - didn't expect it to turn into this as I was only trying to make a larger point about inconsistency of our fan base). If people want to continue arguing about this follow the link:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...14-juco-sg-devon-baulkman-5.html#post10183227
 
#45
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TGVol said:
Presumably the same UT fans who are willing to accept being fifth in SEC football rankings as a great accomplishment (which it actually is right now), but have actively petitioned against UT bb coach who finished top 5 in the SEC 3 years in a row in actual W-L column (more meaningful statistic). That's where the post came from - frustration with how inconsistent and irrational our fans can be.
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This argument makes no sense because the SEC basically has 2 teams that are really good in basketball. Its a whole different story in football. Apples and oranges.
 
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#46
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, this. OP is wrong.

5th in the SEC doesn't actually make me feel super pumped up about our recruiting at this point.
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The top 5 teams in recruiting aren't usually seperated by much, as far as talent, so I'm not that concerned. We can win national chamionships consistently, with top 5 recruiting class's every year.
 
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It looks pretty good at this juncture......leading the SECe as a solid half dozen 5*'s have the Vols listed either at or near the top of their lists. Most all 3*'s and a lot of 4*'s commit early and most all the 5*'s wait 'til after the bowl games, so let's consider 5th in the SEC and 7th nationally at this time.........with all those seriously interested 5*'s hanging in..........an enviable position for any program. Remember how LSU, Auburn and TAMU climbed up in the rankings just at NSD? A solid season with some great recruiting visits (like last year's UGA game) and these phenomenal facilities, secure coaching situation etc., etc., should make for a great February 2015. IF we can beat FU with some major 5*'s in the stands, let's feel good about this next class.

:3cheers:
 
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CroKev said:
We're neck and neck with 3 of the 4 teams ahead of us. It's Bama that is leaving everybody else in its dust.
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They have GOT to be cheating. Not to sound like a sore loser but no program sustains this level of recruiting year in and year out just on winning tradition. What will this make, 5 consecutive years with the consensus #1 recruiting class? Even Florida State's dominant run in the late 80's through early 2000's didn't yeild THIS many consecutive #1 classes. You would think eventually all these blue chip athletes would want to go somewhere and actually get early playing time.
 
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