Urban Meyer under investigation.

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Like I said, unless there's some sort of provision in collective bargaining agreement that stipulates that covid 19 vaccine status can't be used as a determining factor in being cut or not, he's not in the wrong nor is he violating any actual law if he were to cut any player who refused to get vaccinated.

He just said what every other coach and owner is thinking and doing without saying.

Yeah, but he needs to learn this ain't college and the name Urban Meyer means......... I'm thinking zero..... in the NFL.

When is the last time you saw Andy Reid or Bill Belichick say controversial crap like this? That would be never....... keep that crap outta the press.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Everything about how COVD has been handled is absolutely ridiculous. I expect it to get even more ridiculous. So why should it matter if vaccinations played a role? In today’s society you are less than human if you don’t want to get it. So Urban is just speaking his mind.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Yeah, but he needs to learn this ain't college and the name Urban Meyer means......... I'm thinking zero..... in the NFL.

When is the last time you saw Andy Reid or Bill Belichick say controversial crap like this? That would be never....... keep that crap outta the press.

Meyer will likely be looked at as a hero now.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Meyer will likely be looked at as a hero now.

Negative. See Curt Flood. Visionary outcast.

Meyer failed to read the room.
NFL fans = woke.
NFL players = not so much.
NFL owners = want you to behave woke but keep your damn mouth shut so we make money.
Urban Meyer = uh.... no vaccine, bad. Vaccine, good.

Entire rest of the league at Meyer:

 

[wmcovol]

I believe that teams are making roster decisions based on vaccine status. It was stupid of Meyer to acknowledge it.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Yes, but you simply can not say it to the reporters. It is a violation of Federal law. HIPAA.

It is not a violation of HIPPA. That's not what HIPPA is.

 

[volfanbill]

Negative. See Curt Flood. Visionary outcast.

Meyer failed to read the room.
NFL fans = woke.
NFL players = not so much.
NFL owners = want you to behave woke but keep your damn mouth shut so we make money.
Urban Meyer = uh.... no vaccine, bad. Vaccine, good.

Entire rest of the league at Meyer:

What a ridiculous comparison. This situation is going to amount to a slap on the wrist. Meyer’s hiring of Chris Doyle is an infinitely bigger black eye than publicly mentioning the quiet part. By week 5, no one is going to care about this story, UNLESS the script gets flipped and mandatory vaccinations become a thing for the NFLPA to accept

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

What a ridiculous comparison. This situation is going to amount to a slap on the wrist. Meyer’s hiring of Chris Doyle is an infinitely bigger black eye than publicly mentioning the quiet part. By week 5, no one is going to care about this story, UNLESS the script gets flipped and mandatory vaccinations become a thing for the NFLPA to accept

Meyer has failed to read the room since he joined the NFL. There's a lot of unspoken rules at the level.

His strength coach hire was.... a sour note in a woke league.

His Tebow hire was..... a sour note in the locker room.

His vaccine comment (though correctly describing what teams are doing, you can't say it)...... a sour note among the owners.

He's lost the locker room at this point, for sure, and the owners can't trust him to keep in line. It's over, essentially, before it started because Meyer just doesn't get it at that level.

 

[05_never_again]

Meyer has failed to read the room since he joined the NFL. There's a lot of unspoken rules at the level.

His strength coach hire was.... a sour note in a woke league.

His Tebow hire was..... a sour note in the locker room.

His vaccine comment (though correctly describing what teams are doing, you can't say it)...... a sour note among the owners.

He's lost the locker room at this point, for sure, and the owners can't trust him to keep in line. It's over, essentially, before it started because Meyer just doesn't get it at that level.

It's quite rare that a college coach does. Even some great ones (Saban, Spurrier, etc.) didn't get it. It is just a totally different environment and culture between college and pro football.

I guess you can only really count on one hand the ones that did (Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll).

 

[volfanbill]

Meyer has failed to read the room since he joined the NFL. There's a lot of unspoken rules at the level.

His strength coach hire was.... a sour note in a woke league.

His Tebow hire was..... a sour note in the locker room.

His vaccine comment (though correctly describing what teams are doing, you can't say it)...... a sour note among the owners.

He's lost the locker room at this point, for sure, and the owners can't trust him to keep in line. It's over, essentially, before it started because Meyer just doesn't get it at that level.

No one cares that Meyer gave Tebow a tryout. No one cares that he made the vaccine comment, the NFLPA is just using it to maintain some semblance that they wield any power. The owners love that he said the quiet part out loud. This is just goofy.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

No one cares that Meyer gave Tebow a tryout. No one cares that he made the vaccine comment, the NFLPA is just using it to maintain some semblance that they wield any power. The owners love that he said the quiet part out loud. This is just goofy.

You don't get it. Meyer has shot both feet off.

He insulted the players hiring Tebow, for even more than a week, because it was obvious Tebow is as NFL ready as I am at this point. It's an insult and it stole reps and snaps from someone who might actually play. It's actually bad for the team to pre-season someone as bad as Tebow at TE..... and it shows a coach who isn't looking out for the best interests of the team.

As for opening his mouth about vaccines, he's not wrong...... he's just stupid. He might've been a big dog in the NCAA and able to bark whatever he wanted but the NFL is ALL business and you keep your mouth shut about anything that disrupts the business whether you're speaking truth or not.

He's useless at Jax and I hope he doesn't get Lawrence badly injured.

 

[volfanbill]

You don't get it. Meyer has shot both feet off.

He insulted the players hiring Tebow, for even more than a week, because it was obvious Tebow is as NFL ready as I am at this point. It's an insult and it stole reps and snaps from someone who might actually play. It's actually bad for the team to pre-season someone as bad as Tebow at TE..... and it shows a coach who isn't looking out for the best interests of the team.

As for opening his mouth about vaccines, he's not wrong...... he's just stupid. He might've been a big dog in the NCAA and able to bark whatever he wanted but the NFL is ALL business and you keep your mouth shut about anything that disrupts the business whether you're speaking truth or not.

He's useless at Jax and I hope he doesn't get Lawrence badly injured.

Tebow is light years more ready than you at this point. I do get it. You hate Meyer, Tebow (and likely anything Gators like I do) so you let it alter your reality. Other than that, Meyer mouthing off about vaccines is nothing. He’s going to be judged on whether he improves the Jags on the field. That’s it. But go ahead, hate away brother

 

[volfanbill]

The fighting WFTs tried out AND kept a basketball player from Chile who had zero real football experience until this year. And you want to trot out the Tebow experience as shooting his foot off. Hilarious.

 

[Jax_Vol]

It is not a violation of HIPPA. That's not what HIPPA is.

Thanks! I will tell my wife that she is wrong.

 

[Jax_Vol]

It might be against the collective bargaining agreement that the NFLPU has in place, but it is not a violation of Federal law, and has nothing to do with HIPAA if an employer chooses to require employees to obtain a vaccine in order to retain employment.
EEOC Issues Updated COVID-19 Technical Assistance | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

Yes, but the NFL has not required the players to obtain a vaccine. That is indeed the key point.

They strongly encouraged them to get vaccinated, or be subjected to routine testing.

The military has forced their employees to be vaccinated.

Big difference.

 

[BeardedVol]

Yes, but the NFL has not required the players to obtain a vaccine. That is indeed the key point.

They strongly encouraged them to get vaccinated, or be subjected to routine testing.

The military has forced their employees to be vaccinated.

Big difference.

Unless there's something in the collective bargaining agreement that says otherwise, I'm pretty sure a coach and/or owner can use whatever criteria they wish in determining who gets a roster spot as long as they don't violate any state or federal laws.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Unless there's something in the collective bargaining agreement that says otherwise, I'm pretty sure a coach and/or owner can use whatever criteria they wish in determining who gets a roster spot as long as they don't violate any state or federal laws.

True. There were many reasons why Cam Newton got cut. One of those was that he wasn't vacinated. But since it is a dicey topic, Bill Belichick stated that it was not a factor in the decision. Bill was lying.

Urbs would have been better off just saying 'No Comment' to the question.

 

[BeardedVol]

True. There were many reasons why Cam Newton got cut. One of those was that he wasn't vacinated. But since it is a dicey topic, Bill Belichick stated that it was not a factor in the decision. Bill was lying.

Urbs would have been better off just saying 'No Comment' to the question.

That's just it, it's not a dicey topic. The unvaccinated are not a 'protected class', and there's no law violation in using vaccination status as a hiring or job retention criteria. Belichick lies, water is wet, and every other NFL coach who kept their mouth shut, are using vaccination status in their roster discussions just as well.

You don't risk millions of dollars in revenue because a football player doesn't want to get vaccinated; that's just bad business decision-making otherwise.

 

[05_never_again]

That's just it, it's not a dicey topic. The unvaccinated are not a 'protected class', and there's no law violation in using vaccination status as a hiring or job retention criteria. Belichick lies, water is wet, and every other NFL coach who kept their mouth shut, are using vaccination status in their roster discussions just as well.

You don't risk millions of dollars in revenue because a football player doesn't want to get vaccinated; that's just bad business decision-making otherwise.

...and especially if you are using vaccination status to make your final cuts (e.g., separating player #53 from #54 and #55).

If Patrick Mahomes wasn't vaccinated, yeah, they'd work around it. But for a special teams player? No.

 

[BeardedVol]

...and especially if you are using vaccination status to make your final cuts (e.g., separating player #53 from #54 and #55).

If Patrick Mahomes wasn't vaccinated, yeah, they'd work around it. But for a special teams player? No.

I doubt there are too many franchise players willing to risk a forfeit, but there's always a dumb one in every group.

Speaking of the Chiefs:
Report: Tyrann Mathieu Tests Positive for COVID-19, Placed on Reserve List

Since he's vaccinated, as long as he doesn't manifest symptoms, he's back once he gets two negative PCRs 24 hours apart.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Tebow is light years more ready than you at this point. I do get it. You hate Meyer, Tebow (and likely anything Gators like I do) so you let it alter your reality. Other than that, Meyer mouthing off about vaccines is nothing. He’s going to be judged on whether he improves the Jags on the field. That’s it. But go ahead, hate away brother

Tebow is half my age, so there's that, but I actually know how to block. Apparently he never learned. He was a fabulous QB...... many, many years ago.

Meyer mouthing off PERIOD in the NFL is stupid. He's a great college coach who is clueless how the NFL works. The coach isn't the big dog who can do no wrong at that level. He's toast, soon.

I hate that Meyer is selfish and unprepared to be an NFL coach. I hate that Tebow is selfish and unprepared to be an NFL tight end. Both should've known better....... they've been around football long enough to know their limits.

 

[05_never_again]

Tebow is half my age, so there's that, but I actually know how to block. Apparently he never learned. He was a fabulous QB...... many, many years ago.

Meyer mouthing off PERIOD in the NFL is stupid. He's a great college coach who is clueless how the NFL works. The coach isn't the big dog who can do no wrong at that level. He's toast, soon.

I hate that Meyer is selfish and unprepared to be an NFL coach. I hate that Tebow is selfish and unprepared to be an NFL tight end. Both should've known better....... they've been around football long enough to know their limits.

Tebow knows his limits too (he knows he can't play), but he also knows his marketability. So in lieu of the typical post-college route for guys like him (going and working for a land developer or something of the sort) he decided to stay in the media spotlight, even if it was as a sideshow act. Johnny Football tried to do the same thing, except it didn't work out as well because he's a complete moron.

 

[GVF]

He said what every other NFL coach is thinking and doing as well. Team owners are not going to risk having to forfeit games because of a covid outbreak that could have been mitigated or outright eliminated if the players are vaccinated; too much money on the line.

IF, and apparently it's a good IF, the vaccine actually PREVENTED the spread. "The Science" has already proven the vaccine prevents neither the spread or contraction of the virus. You can argue all day long that it lessens the symptoms if you get it, but not the spread.

 

[bamawriter]

IF, and apparently it's a good IF, the vaccine actually PREVENTED the spread. "The Science" has already proven the vaccine prevents neither the spread or contraction of the virus. You can argue all day long that it lessens the symptoms if you get it, but not the spread.

This may not be the board for it, but I think there's a good case to say that being vaccinated reduces the spread. It is completely true that you can still contract it while vaccinated and the viral load is basically the same as in an unvaxxed patient. But the data says that a vaccinated person is likely to have the virus out of his system quicker than if he were unvaccinated, somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 days vs. 10 on average. So, while the vaccinated individual is just as contagious while infected, he's less likely to be infected in the first place, won't be infected as long, and is thus less likely to spread it overall.

Of course, all of that is also predicated on the unvaxxed person having no natural immunity.

 

[Dudleys87]

You can’t seriously think he’ll be fired or fined for this. They’re becoming ridiculous about it and they’ll most likely praise him for it.