Urban Meyer

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rsanderson said:
He was just making a point of how the computers are not going to like their strength of schedule at the end of the year and was eluding to the fact that the Big 10 has been down the last couple of years. Who cares if your 24 - 0 if your beating sup par opponents and only by 1 point at that.
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He was making a point using obviously incorrect facts. Point is, computers only account for a 1/3 of the BCS rankings. The coaches and the Harris poll account for 2/3; both are people. Auburn will jump Clemson in the Harris poll this week, but they will not jump tOSU. Further, tOSU beating a top ten opponent (which MSU might be) will not result in tOSU dropping. You are listening to announcers that are delusionally hoping for another SEC National Championship. It's not going to happen unless tOSU or FSU lose.
 
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therealUT said:
He was making a point using obviously incorrect facts. Point is, computers only account for a 1/3 of the BCS rankings. The coaches and the Harris poll account for 2/3; both are people. Auburn will jump Clemson in the Harris poll this week, but they will not jump tOSU. Further, tOSU beating a top ten opponent (which MSU might be) will not result in tOSU dropping. You are listening to announcers that are delusionally hoping for another SEC National Championship. It's not going to happen unless tOSU or FSU lose.
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If Mizzou beats A&M, then Auburn beats Mizzou, I could see them jumping OSU in at least one poll. That'd be wins over the #1 and #4 teams in back-to-back weeks.
 
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05_never_again said:
The playoff will have just as much, if not more, controversy than the BCS. There is always going to be controversy around "left out" teams. #5 and #6 are always going to feel they got ripped off, unless there's some sort of chasm between #4 and #5.
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This. If the season ended today, which of the following teams would be included in the four-team playoff?

FSU
tOSU
Auburn
Mizzou
Clemson
Bama
Ok. State

There are seven teams there that each have legitimate arguments to be included.
 
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I actually hope OSU and FSU (minus Winston) meet in the NC game. Winston or not FSU will wipe the floor with OSU and we can all put the Big 10/11/12 to bed as the POS conference they are!
 
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If AU wins the SEC they should jump OSU in my opinion. A win over maybe a one loss Missouri team, and knocking off the #1 team is more impressive than OSU beating a couple of ranked team this year, none of which are even in the top 10.
 
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therealUT said:
This. If the season ended today, which of the following teams would be included in the four-team playoff?

FSU
tOSU
Auburn
Mizzou
Clemson
Bama
Ok. State

There are seven teams there that each have legitimate arguments to be included.
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Yep. I don't know why everyone (well, almost everyone) assumes that controversy will be ended with a 4 team playoff. It wouldn't be ended with even an 8 or 16 team playoff. Basketball has a 68-team playoff and there's still controversy at the margin.

I guess people just hear "playoff," know that they hate the BCS, and think everything will be perfect. There's no perfect system in college sports - it can't be like the pros because of the sheer number of teams.
 
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05_never_again said:
If Mizzou beats A&M, then Auburn beats Mizzou, I could see them jumping OSU in at least one poll. That'd be wins over the #1 and #4 teams in back-to-back weeks.
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Yeah, and it's impressive; however, tOSU will be playing, at worst, the 11th ranked team in the country. And, tOSU will be undefeated. The argument against tOSU is they have not played anyone, but plenty of persons still think it is quite an accomplishment to go undefeated through any of the major conferences. Thinking that Auburn will jump tOSU if tOSU wins next week is, again, delusional.
 
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therealUT said:
He was making a point using obviously incorrect facts. Point is, computers only account for a 1/3 of the BCS rankings. The coaches and the Harris poll account for 2/3; both are people. Auburn will jump Clemson in the Harris poll this week, but they will not jump tOSU. Further, tOSU beating a top ten opponent (which MSU might be) will not result in tOSU dropping. You are listening to announcers that are delusionally hoping for another SEC National Championship. It's not going to happen unless tOSU or FSU lose.
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So you do not think there is a chance that an Auburn team that beats #1 Alabama one week and potentially beat a top team in Missouri or South Carolina the next week couldn't possible jump a OU team that squeaks out a win against 1 top ten opponent (MSU) all season long.
 
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therealUT said:
Yeah, and it's impressive; however, tOSU will be playing, at worst, the 11th ranked team in the country. And, tOSU will be undefeated. The argument against tOSU is they have not played anyone, but plenty of persons still think it is quite an accomplishment to go undefeated through any of the major conferences. Thinking that Auburn will jump tOSU if tOSU wins next week is, again, delusional.
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AU with one loss or not, if AU finishes the season beating two top 5 teams, including #1, then they have a legitimate argument. I don't think it is delusional at all. OSU, undefeated, still will have only played one top 10 team during their run.
 
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therealUT said:
Yeah, and it's impressive; however, tOSU will be playing, at worst, the 11th ranked team in the country. And, tOSU will be undefeated. The argument against tOSU is they have not played anyone, but plenty of persons still think it is quite an accomplishment to go undefeated through any of the major conferences. Thinking that Auburn will jump tOSU if tOSU wins next week is, again, delusional.
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I'm not sure if it's delusional to think...I just wouldn't be surprised if it did happen. Ohio State is obviously helped out (in this situation) by having a conference title game to play in now.

It is an accomplishment to go undefeated in an AQ conference as you say, but ultimately you have to look at a team's schedule game by game and not make blanket assumptions about the toughness of their schedule based on their conference.

The Big 10 is weak and they didn't make up for it by playing tough non-conference opponents. Not their fault...just how it is. What's their most impressive win to date? Wisconsin?
 
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rsanderson said:
So you do not think there is a chance that an Auburn team that beats #1 Alabama one week and potentially beat a top team in Missouri or South Carolina the next week couldn't possible jump a OU team that squeaks out a win against 1 top ten opponent (MSU) all season long.
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Why are you bringing up 'squeaking out', as if Auburn has blown out their top ten opponents?

No, there is not a chance. I know all of you guys want for the SEC to be represented come hell or high water, but if tOSU wins out, tOSU plays in the title game. Voters do not vote on who is the best team in the country; they vote on who has handled their business the best. tOSU has done all it can to handle its business, and its business occurred in a major conference. Voters will think that is enough.

If voters actually cast their votes according to the team they thought was truly the best team in the nation, then Alabama would be number one again in this coming week's polls. Alabama is still the best team in the nation; unfortunately, Alabama did not handle their business. Auburn, also, failed to handle their business against LSU. Coming back and beating Bama and beating Mizzou will not vault Auburn above a flawless major conference team.

The history of the system bears this out, and precedents remain in place among voters in these polls just as they do with Heisman voters. If Auburn jumps an undefeated tOSU it will be absolutely unprecedented; and, such an unprecedented event will not occur if it is a huge name like tOSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, Texas, etc. getting the shaft. Now, if Indiana University were undefeated with tOSU's schedule this season, then maybe that unprecedented jump would occur (but, even then, I would think it unlikely).
 
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therealUT said:
At the end of two years at tOSU, Meyer will have posted a 26-0 record, and will have another National Title.

This relies on tOSU beating Michigan State in Indianapolis, as well as beating an FSU squad minus Winston in the National Championship game. CUM probably cries so much because he has a horseshoe stuck up his ass.
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What's interesting is now Urban has to justify a one loss SEC team not deserving a title shot when he was in the same position at Florida to win his two titles.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
What's interesting is now Urban has to justify a one loss SEC team not deserving a title shot when he was in the same position at Florida to win his two titles.
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Did he ever have to justify his team getting a shot over an undefeated AQ team?
 
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Auburn wins seccg and they will be in the NC game. No doubts.

The top 4 teams in the sec would beat the snot out of ohio. Period.
 
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05_never_again said:
Did he ever have to justify his team getting a shot over an undefeated AQ team?
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Don't think so but the fact that he always said a one loss sec team deserved to be in is going to be funny because he is going to be asked those questions.
 
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Obsessed said:
Auburn wins seccg and they will be in the NC game. No doubts.

The top 4 teams in the sec would beat the snot out of ohio. Period.
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As therealUT said, it isn't about who's the "best team." It's about how you've handled the schedule you had.

For a lot of people, an undefeated Big 10 team handled their schedule better than a 1 loss team, even if the 1 loss played a more difficult schedule.
 
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05_never_again said:
As therealUT said, it isn't about who's the "best team." It's about how you've handled the schedule you had.

For a lot of people, an undefeated Big 10 team handled their schedule better than a 1 loss team, even if the 1 loss played a more difficult schedule.
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I remember a 1 loss team beating out a undefeated team to play in the NC game. Don't you?

Yes-- it was bama. I also remember two Sec teams with a loss playing each other for the NC game.

My theory isn't impossible. Nor is trut's. Guess we will have to see.
 
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Obsessed said:
I remember a 1 loss team beating out a undefeated team to play in the NC game. Don't you?

Yes-- it was bama. I also remember two Sec teams with a loss playing each other for the NC game.

My theory isn't impossible. Nor is trut's. Guess we will have to see.
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I know it isn't impossible...in fact in this thread I've said it's entirely possible Auburn will jump OSU if they beat Mizzou/South Carolina.
 
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Obsessed said:
I remember a 1 loss team beating out a undefeated team to play in the NC game. Don't you?

Yes-- it was bama. I also remember two Sec teams with a loss playing each other for the NC game.

My theory isn't impossible. Nor is trut's. Guess we will have to see.
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This is a very good point. Regardless of records, who really thinks OSU would beat AU, Bama, or even FSU right now? This has the ND debacle of last year written all over it.
 
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