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It seems like Trump is obsessed with expanding the USA, whether realistic or just in jest. Is anything going to come of this? What is the realistic chance that the USA acquires Greenland?

Other items he has joked/talked about is Canada and the Panama Canal.

EDIT: I am surprised there is not at least a Greenland thread on here
 
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The pearl clutching on the left is hilarious right now.

It is clearly a joke by Trump but it went over their head. Granted both sides do that. You definitely can't make a joke as a politician. Trump has learned how to use that to his advantage with these outrageous comments about Gulf of America and Canada being 51st state (that one broke Trudeau).
 
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its all posturing to take attention away from other things he is going to do. a pseudo bait and switch.

he will use it as a bargaining tool. "ok Denmark, I will drop the Greenland thing if you spend more on your military for NATO." or maybe he just settles for another base there or something.

for the record, I don't think that that plan is a smart one. it does more damage than it helps us. but Trump doesn't care, he wants immediate results, damn the long term ramifications.

I mean its possible he tried to do something, and gets shut down for it. but I think that likelihood is lower than 2 or 3 other possible outcomes.
 
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its all posturing to take attention away from other things he is going to do. a pseudo bait and switch.

he will use it as a bargaining tool. "ok Denmark, I will drop the Greenland thing if you spend more on your military for NATO." or maybe he just settles for another base there or something.

for the record, I don't think that that plan is a smart one. it does more damage than it helps us. but Trump doesn't care, he wants immediate results, damn the long term ramifications.

I mean its possible he tried to do something, and gets shut down for it. but I think that likelihood is lower than 2 or 3 other possible outcomes.

Probably some truth to this one. From what I gathered, USA has tried to buy Greenland for some time (not just Trump). Trump is the only one being loud about it. I think it has gone on in close channels prior to Trump. The fear is Greenland getting independence and then China/Russia stepping in. Denmark, USA, EU, etc. don't want that. That is the story in the story that people are missing.

Greenland has value to USA for both defense and natural resources. Question is whether we can still acquire what we want without owning Greenland. I think if it was under Denmark, that would be the case. The fear know is what would a fully independent Greenland be about and that is why USA is making noise at this point.

All the other stuff is just hyperbole. He is trolling Trudeau with the Canada talk and the Panama Canal reacquisition was a cut at Carter's legacy (and Democrats) IMO. It was a mistake for Carter to give it back.

I do think Trump is against the current system and thinks outside of it. The way we see international politics is a little stupid. I feel like we had a stronger national policy in the 1800s. If we followed our stupid mentality today, we would never have Arizona, New Mexico, Alaska, California, Nevada, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc.

EDIT: The ultimate end game is likely that we don't acquire Greenland but we get some type of mining rights agreement as well as a defense agreement to put bases there and keep China/Russia out.
 
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The Canada thing was just to piss off Trudeau and the libs/MSM. However I think the Canal and Greenland are major National Security issues. The PC should have never been turned over to Panama. We built it and many Americans lost their lives doing it. If China were to rangle control of it. We would be in trouble.

I think the ultimate goal with Greenland is to add probably an Air Force base there.
 
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Panama Canal reacquisition was a cut at Carter's legacy (and Democrats) IMO. It was a mistake for Carter to give it back.
The PC should have never been turned over to Panama. We built it and many Americans lost their lives doing it. If China were to rangle control of it. We would be in trouble.
Didn't we relinquish control according to terms of the agreement with Panama when we built it? Was Panama remiss with any of the terms on their end? As in financial or security commitments required before ceding Panama?

Internationally, did we have a strong argument to justify retaining control of the Panama canal?

Did our stance during the 58 Suez crisis affect our stance pertaining to the Panama Canal? I could see our western allies applying some strong 'F-you' diplomatic pressure after we refused to support their seizure of the Suez Canal.
 

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