US State Department Stirring It Up With Iran...

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VolStrom said:
Trump is not a war monger and he's not in cahoots with the war machine industry, he's not going to get us into another war.
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Trump made the vice president and general manager of Boeing Missile Defense Systems the SECDEF and is in the process of making another major defense contractor the SECAF.
 
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God forbid this officer becomes a general or a U.S. Senator. They will hang the fact that he graduated last in his class over his head forever.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
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Yeah lol..a "stealth" F5 adversary...or T38 trainer for USAFA cadets...they have seriously reverse engineered our jet engine designs from the 50s, wich were in the F5 in the 80s, if they did ever miraculously get the materials and tech to build a stealth anyything, they dont have the CPUs to control modern fly by wire avionics, nor pilots that would be able to compete with ours
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yeah lol..a "stealth" F5 adversary...or T38 trainer for USAFA cadets...they have seriously reverse engineered our jet engine designs from the 50s, wich were in the F5 in the 80s, if they did ever miraculously get the materials and tech to build a stealth anyything, they dont have the CPUs to control modern fly by wire avionics, nor pilots that would be able to compete with ours
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If they had any money they could probably buy any technology we have from the Chinese since they have stolen everything we have ever developed.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yeah lol..a "stealth" F5 adversary...or T38 trainer for USAFA cadets...they have seriously reverse engineered our jet engine designs from the 50s, wich were in the F5 in the 80s, if they did ever miraculously get the materials and tech to build a stealth anyything, they dont have the CPUs to control modern fly by wire avionics, nor pilots that would be able to compete with ours
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They do have F14s, which is a pretty powerful, but outdated, airframe.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yeah lol..a "stealth" F5 adversary...or T38 trainer for USAFA cadets...they have seriously reverse engineered our jet engine designs from the 50s, wich were in the F5 in the 80s, if they did ever miraculously get the materials and tech to build a stealth anyything, they dont have the CPUs to control modern fly by wire avionics, nor pilots that would be able to compete with ours
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If those Iranian fighter pilots know what's good for them, the one piece of gear on their aircraft they need to make sure works is the ejection seat.
 
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
Huge Middle East War and possibly WW3 here we come!
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
Some Men will profit hugely from the world being destroyed by war

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A lot of fake news to unpack here. Please provide a link to the first quote about the “New world order” from Bush. I have found several but nothing like this. If anything, when you read Bush’s comments about a New World Oder, he is discussing the ability of the “New World” to stand up and prevent dictators and the new budding democracies of failed communist states. “New World Order” was Bush’s favorite go to line the 90’s. Said it in numerous addresses to Congress and during the onset of the Persian Gulf War. Context matters.


Address to the Nation Announcing Allied Military Action in the Persian Gulf | The American Presidency Project

As for your last meme, about being hung in the streets, this is also not factual. The origins this bs is that he said this to a reporter from Dallas with whom he had a close relationship with. Her name is Sarah McClendon. Supposedly she put this quote in a publication of hers. Yet when you dig into that claim she never says Bush said this to her. Nor publishes this quote.

Sarah McClendon Reports from June 1992 and December 1992 : Sarah McClendon : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

And here is when the accusation was first made on a radio show. You can see where the person claiming this cites Sarah’s reporting as his source. Simply didn’t happen.

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As for the Rockefeller quote, there is no actual source reporting on it. Just tons of websites saying he said this to people at various events. No source reporting on it. No one claiming to be in attendance and having heard it. Highly dubious and likely bull squat.
 
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carlos86 said:
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The parallels he makes are a huge reach and largely, historically inaccurate . I hate to say this, but Sometimes it seems like the Left wants another Vietnam to relive the glory days of the 60’s and 70’s with all the protests. Maybe this would be something actually worth protesting, instead of all the other manufactured bull$hit people pretend to mad about all the time.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
The parallels he makes are a huge reach and largely, historically inaccurate . I hate to say this, but Sometimes it seems like the Left wants another Vietnam to relive the glory days of the 60’s and 70’s with all the protests. Maybe this would be something actually worth protesting, instead of all the other manufactured bull$hit people pretend to mad about all the time.
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A Gulf of Tonkin incident in The Straits of Hormuz is definitely something that could realistically occur. I'm not sure how you can call that a reach.

In response, Marine veteran Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.) recently told Task & Purpose he was concerned about a Gulf of Tonkin-like incident between U.S. and Iranian forces that could lead to outright war. And while your humble Pentagon correspondent was considering asking Shanahan if he too was concerned about a sequel to the Gulf of Tonkin until he noticed the flag of the unified, communist Vietnam fluttering in the breeze (Subtext had clearly become text, like when Doogie Howser wore an SS uniform at the end of "Starship Troopers")
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A Gulf of Tonkin incident in The Straits of Hormuz is definitely something that could realistically occur. I'm not sure how you can call that a reach.
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Agreed that a skirmish could lead to a larger engagement, but we fought Vietnam with one hand tied behind our back as walking on egg shells trying not to piss off the Soviets. He talks about Iraq 2003 which was a massive intelligence failure, but we went for the jugular right away, not the same, but people always wanted the comparison. The lessons learned from those previous Wars are not lost on people in the Pentagon or in the intelligence services.

People use Vietnam as a rallying cry just like they think the Right war mongers by warning about security concerns. They both are very excessive .
 
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