US views of Capitalism v Socialism

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#126
So now it has changed to cap it and destribute it to charity?

Who determines these charities?

Oh............... the government. So it funnels to a government charity and back into the feds general fund!

Brilliant!
 
#127
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rjd970 said:
Who said anything about the government getting it? Let Jr.'s inheritence get capped at a certain amount, I don't know...a couple million....have the rest dispersed to tax-exempt charities, and let little Jr. get by on his hard work talents from thenceforth.
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me thinks jr can live just fine on a couple of million.
 
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droski said:
my point is he isnt' going to have to live off his own hard work in the first place. all you are doing is delagating lifestyle which isn't the gov'ts job.
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Why do you care?

His parents or their parents made the money....

It is their money.......
 
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rjd970 said:
Who says the guy who dies can't delegate where it goes?
This is studip.
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If he leaves it to his family.....you are truly clueless.

In your world, who would set the limit and who would TELL him that he HAS to "deligate" it?
 
#136
#136
Why is this a discussion about capitalism v socialism. Some of these views reek of capitalism v communism. Let the government wipe my butt for me too while they're at it. Please, please, take all my money and let me live in a mud hut. WTF!!!!!??????????
 
#138
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rjd970 said:
Right....hard work, self-responsibility, and capitalism doesn't apply to the truly fortunate.
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nvm....i am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that you are just baiting the conversation...no one can be THIS ignorant
 
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T-TownVol said:
Well, the next four years, he should be happy as hell
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And on that note:

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droski said:
The average teacher in california (and in a lot of the rest of the country) is a far bigger socialist than even obama. my gf is a teacher. you wouldn't beleive the crap that comes out of her friends' mouths.
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Or goes into hers.
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rjd970 said:
Good. I'm sure I've heard it before anyway.
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You act as if nobody here has heard the whiny liberal view that the rich are getting richer at the expense of the poor. It's tired and hollow at best. The inheritance baby stuff always enters and it's immaterial. This is about earners, not wealth. Earners earn what the market pays. While you don't want to hear it, that is exactly the case. Why do we care about this absurd percentage of aggregate income silliness you continue to throw out? Why does that have to stop as long as everyone is on a rising tide?

The fact that the biggest of earners are generally sleeping with the biggest of risks seems to lost on you. It's often not about smart, but about smart mixed with savvy, sales and directed effort. Being smart and working hard are assurance of nothing, as it should be. Lazy people can make a fortune if they can convince someone in the market to give them money and why do people act like that's a problem?

Your point throughout this thread has been that the "right wingers" just don't get it because they apparently don't have your clarity. Just sitting back and reading, I'd say what they're missing is simply your pity, which has no place in a discussion of economic systems.
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BigPapaVol said:
You act as if nobody here has heard the whiny liberal view that the rich are getting richer at the expense of the poor. It's tired and hollow at best. The inheritance baby stuff always enters and it's immaterial. This is about earners, not wealth. Earners earn what the market pays. While you don't want to hear it, that is exactly the case. Why do we care about this absurd percentage of aggregate income silliness you continue to throw out? Why does that have to stop as long as everyone is on a rising tide?

The fact that the biggest of earners are generally sleeping with the biggest of risks seems to lost on you. It's often not about smart, but about smart mixed with savvy, sales and directed effort. Being smart and working hard are assurance of nothing, as it should be. Lazy people can make a fortune if they can convince someone in the market to give them money and why do people act like that's a problem?

Your point throughout this thread has been that the "right wingers" just don't get it because they apparently don't have your clarity. Just sitting back and reading, I'd say what they're missing is simply your pity, which has no place in a discussion of economic systems.
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Well said.
 
#150
#150
BigPapaVol said:
You act as if nobody here has heard the whiny liberal view that the rich are getting richer at the expense of the poor. It's tired and hollow at best. The inheritance baby stuff always enters and it's immaterial. This is about earners, not wealth. Earners earn what the market pays. While you don't want to hear it, that is exactly the case. Why do we care about this absurd percentage of aggregate income silliness you continue to throw out? Why does that have to stop as long as everyone is on a rising tide?

The fact that the biggest of earners are generally sleeping with the biggest of risks seems to lost on you. It's often not about smart, but about smart mixed with savvy, sales and directed effort. Being smart and working hard are assurance of nothing, as it should be. Lazy people can make a fortune if they can convince someone in the market to give them money and why do people act like that's a problem?

Your point throughout this thread has been that the "right wingers" just don't get it because they apparently don't have your clarity. Just sitting back and reading, I'd say what they're missing is simply your pity, which has no place in a discussion of economic systems.
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I never said the rich were getting richer at the expense of the poor. As always, you guys have the same lines over and over again and decide to put words in my mouth in order to make the same tired points over and over again.

I'm all for capitalism amd making money. It is far better than the alternative. And its funny now that I am hearing it is about earners, not wealth. What exactly did Bill Gates Jr. do to earn what he gets? The guy on welfare is there because he doesn't want to get up and work and do something for himself...right? But now your saying that isn't really necessary, and if he can convince somebody to give him money he can get around it. Lazy people are perfectly capable of making a fortune. Hmmm.

And I think its great that everybody is on a rising tide, all I pointed out is some are riding a bigger wave than others. I'm not drawing a single conclusion, just pointing out the data...you guys are the ones drawing conclusions...convicting me of saying it is at the expense of the poor man. Please, you know damn well I have said nothing of the sort.

I have no doubt that those with the most have the most to lose. But this whole TARP, bailout, stimulus crap pushed by both administrations has kept some from having to deal with the consequences of bad decisions and paying the piper when their risk failed. The same ones, who probably, would tell me to go to hell if I made a bad investment, yet they are entitled to may tax dollars, because they work for a company that is "too big to fail" and the economy would suffer if they didn't get to keep their money. Horsesh*t.
 
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