US views of Capitalism v Socialism

#76
#76
vols4sure said:
rjd - out of curiosity is there any statistic for what % of that 5% were born into that bracket.

I would tend to think it is quite a bit, and that is where I struggle. I think people who make a lot of money deserve to be able to do what they want with it after they have already been taxed initially. However, I also struggle with the people who are rich merely because they were born into a rich family (if they were born into a rich family and they still work hard and build upon there family's money then I don't have a problem)
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So you want the government to make it better?

Another example of insanity!
 
#77
#77
TENNFOLD1974 said:
My point is if daddy busts his azz why can't junior do the same.
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Free will. He can do as he chooses, and his father put him in the position to do so.

The lazy person with no inheritance could choose to do the same, although he should not expect the government and taxpayers to fund his choices.
 
#78
#78
KB5252 said:
Those who received large sums of money through inheritance are not putting a drain on society by being lazy. If anything they help the economy by spending that money.

Those who are being lazy while receiving funds paid for by taxpayers are a problem. They take but put nothing in.

You may see it as a double standard but someone had to be very smart with their money and work very hard to put their family in that position. The right for them to lead a lazy care free life where they need not work was earned for them by someone else who voluntarily gave their money. So they can afford to be lazy if they so choose.
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So what your saying is you have no problem with somebody endrinching themselves with Sloth as long as it doesn't effect your wallet.
 
#79
#79
TENNFOLD1974 said:
So what your saying is you have no problem with somebody endrinching themselves with Sloth as long as it doesn't effect your wallet.
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The issue is liberty!

Nothing more and nothing less.

Why do you care what other people are doing if they are abiding by the law?
 
#81
#81
TENNFOLD1974 said:
So what your saying is you have no problem with somebody endrinching themselves with Sloth as long as it doesn't effect your wallet.
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So if your parents are secretly saving up money for you to inherit when they pass on, what is the difference? Would you rather the government decide what to do with the money your parents saved? it rightfully belongs with the family, not the government.
 
#82
#82
Why do people encourage the expansion of power by our gov't?

Do you really think gov't = equality?
 
#83
#83
joevol24 said:
So if your parents are secretly saving up money for you to inherit when they pass on, what is the difference? Would you rather the government decide what to do with the money your parents saved? it rightfully belongs with the family, not the government.
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#84
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droski said:
Some people chose to make less money than they can. The overwhelming majority, over a lifetime, make as much money as they deserve.
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There are also definitely people that make more money than they deserve.

That's life, though. No everyone is born equal, not everyone lives equally and not everyone dies equally.


I set out to find a field where I can make an incredibly comfortable living without having to work 60 hours a week. Why? Not because I'm lazy, but because I want to ensure my family is raised right and I'm home and present to ensure that happens. That is the viewpoint that almost everyone I work with (I'm the only worker in my company devoid of an MS) has.

I don't think it has to do with ambition (as I'm interpreting what you're saying) it has to do with values.
 
#85
#85
KB5252 said:
Those who received large sums of money through inheritance are not putting a drain on society by being lazy. If anything they help the economy by spending that money.
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Good point. As long as it doesn't go to their drug dealers
 
#86
#86
joevol24 said:
So if your parents are secretly saving up money for you to inherit when they pass on, what is the difference? Would you rather the government decide what to do with the money your parents saved? it rightfully belongs with the family, not the government.
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Exactly.


Regardless of the amount or how it was procured (as long as it's legal).
 
#87
#87
DC Vol said:
There are also definitely people that make more money than they deserve.

That's life, though. No everyone is born equal, not everyone lives equally and not everyone dies equally.


I set out to find a field where I can make an incredibly comfortable living without having to work 60 hours a week. Why? Not because I'm lazy, but because I want to ensure my family is raised right and I'm home and present to ensure that happens. That is the viewpoint that almost everyone I work with (I'm the only worker in my company devoid of an MS) has.

I don't think it has to do with ambition (as I'm interpreting what you're saying) it has to do with values.
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if there are people who are making more money then they deserve than clearly others must see this and clearly others would flock to that profession. for instance take a look at the growth of stock brokers during the late 90s. i don't believe these irregularities last for a lifetime.

right you don't deserve more because you are not willing to work longer. thanks for proving my point. call it lazy or call it values, but there is a good reason. it's not because the rich are screwing you (like obama would like you to believe).
 
#89
#89
OrangeEmpire said:
Why do people encourage the expansion of power by our gov't?

Do you really think gov't = equality?
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Exactly. this country was founded on the principles of small government. We need to get back to that. The more power you give the government, the less rights you have. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
 
#92
#92
droski said:
because obama would have you believe that those people are making that money by screwing the poor.
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The rich pay for all of their goverment run programs!

Who does any one care if someone else has a bigger house, nicer car, or more money than you?

If that crap is all that makes you happy........ you need to do some soul searching!
 
#93
#93
droski said:
because obama would have you believe that those people are making that money by screwing the poor.
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He sure didn't have a problem with them when they threw all that money at him so he could get elected.
 
#94
#94
People need to take control of their own finances. Quit blaming society or looking for a way to get a free ride. If you want more in life do something about it. Quit using society for a crutch.
 
#95
#95
OrangeEmpire said:
You believe in equality through government?

Why do you care if someone has more money than you?
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Ok you convinced me.:) I now believe in absolutely zero inheritance taxes. You have just made me more of a conservative than I previously was.
 
#97
#97
vols4sure said:
Ok you convinced me.:) I now believe in absolutely zero inheritance taxes. You have just made me more of a conservative than I previously was.
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It has nothing to do with being a conservative!

All you should care about is liberty!

Vote for any one who loves freedom, that is all I ask.

Screw gov't, I want to live free, that is all I care about.
 
#99
#99
vols4sure said:
Thats nonsense, you gotta have some kind of government.
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?

I said I don't want government?

I said screw gov't!

Huge difference. The gov't should be limited to the role the constitution specifically states!

You know what that is, pre civil war levels.
 
#100
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OrangeEmpire said:
?

I said I don't want government?

I said screw gov't!

Huge difference. The gov't should be limited to the role the constitution specifically states!

You know what that is, pre civil war levels.
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We do need more constitutionalists in government today. The founding fathers framed the constitution the way they did for a reason. It is not something to be loosely interpreted when someone decides they don't like the rules outlined to them.
 
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