USA Basketball

#52
#52
not great competition but still better than what was there in 92


yeh 92 had three huge stars but

Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Carmelo Anthony

those guys international superstars
just the same

the NBA is recognized throughout the world by kids everywhere right now
 
#53
#53
Jmxvol said:
take off your old people glasses and watch the games w/out bias
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Don't let the monniker fool you, I'm not as old as it would suggest. I watch the games and have seen much more of this crew than any other, including the '92 squad.

This squad still plays weak D, has no center and never has more than one rebounder on the floor at any time. Those are problems against good competition, regardless of athleticism. We've had huge athleticism advantages as well in all of the recent international tournaments where we've had our hats handed to us.

Finally, what you're really missing, is that the '92 squad had for its leaders guys who had won or were about to win truckloads of championships (which IMO is irreplaceable). Adding Kobe and Billups helped to some degree (Kobe much moreso than Billups), the win-at-all-costs attitude that dominated that 92 squad doesn't exist on the current crew.
 
#54
#54
Jordan
Bird
Johnson
Robinson
Barkley
Pippen

6 players listed on the all time top 50 players EVER were on the 1992 team.
 
#55
#55
I'm stunned that someone would try to even compare that '92 team to ANY team
 
#57
#57
Oops, add Drexler, Stockton, Thomas, and Ewing, and we have 11 of the 50 best NBA players of all time.
 
#58
#58
If that's Isiah Thomas he wasn't on the '92 team. But still how could anyone sit there and compare that team with the one we have now?
 
#59
#59
Iran has the best team hands down

PG-osama johnson
C-turbine willy
G-sadam-the bomb-ladin
F- instead of AI they have IED
 
#60
#60
Jmxvol said:
No one on that team in 92, especially not the guards...could go up and get a rebound, bring it down...go back up, and slam it home over 3 guys
this year's team is sick
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What's that guys name... Michael Jordan
 
#61
#61
Jmxvol said:
No one on that team in 92, especially not the guards...could go up and get a rebound, bring it down...go back up, and slam it home over 3 guys
this year's team is sick
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uhhh....barkley, at 6'5'' (on a particularly tall day) made a living doing it and Pippen is the dunkingest guard ever.
 
#62
#62
the 92 team vs. this years team its no contest, the 92 team would blow them out of the water
 
#64
#64
all you guys are just biased. Can't you appreciate that a team with no center, mediocre shooting and minimal championship style leadership would use overwhelming athletic ability to hammer the '92 squad just like they've hammered the Argentinas and Puerto Ricos over the past several years.
 
#65
#65
Amare Staudomire and Dwight Howard aren't Centers?
This team shoots at a better percentage than the 1992 team did.
This is an entire team of leaders and they play together/work hard. They also have a ton of respect for their competition, which I'm sure the 92 team didn't have...didn't need to have.
 
#66
#66
92 team played 40-year old retards and they didn't play defense like this team does.

I am willing to call it an even steven, but to say the 92 team is better or over-whelmingly better is, well...wrong.
 
#67
#67
BigPapaVol said:
uhhh....barkley, at 6'5'' (on a particularly tall day) made a living doing it and Pippen is the dunkingest guard ever.
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David Robinson was a very good dunker too.

You can correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked dunking still counted as 2 points; it might be different in the international game.
 
#68
#68
Jmxvol said:
92 team played 40-year old retards and they didn't play defense like this team does.

I am willing to call it an even steven, but to say the 92 team is better or over-whelmingly better is, well...wrong.
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Are you kidding? Who cares who they played?

Michael Jordan was one of the best defensive guards in the history of the league. Stockton was a great defender and I think the all times steals leader. Pippen was one of the most versatile players to ever play and was a tremedous defender. David Robinson was a defensive player of the year and an 8 time all-defensive team player. Patrick Ewing was on 3 all-defense teams. Karl Malone made 3 all-defense teams. Larry Bird was named to 3 all-defense teams.

yea these guys had no clue how to play defense.

Add Clyde Drexler to the list from '92 who could dunk on people. Your arguement has many holes in it.
 
#69
#69
I could say the same thing about the 2007 team in regards to All-Def. teams.

The bottom line is....and people don't understand this for some reason...

Weight lifting, training, technology all have improved over 15 years. Go back and look at pictures of Jordan, Bird, Stockton...some of those guys and then check out the 2007 roster.
Modern players are genetic freaks, and that's what puts them ahead.
I realize it's not the 92 team's fault that they didn't have what the players have now...but it's what makes the difference in determining which team is the more physically, athletically, defensively better imo.

I was old enough to remember the games back then, but I don't hold the old-timers bias that most seem to.
People always go with the older teams w/out really stepping back and taking a look at things.
To say "ah, the 92 team would smoke em..." is an absurd statement.
I'm willing to say they are even, or that the 92 team stilll has the edge until these guys win the gold next year...but seriously folks....
 
#70
#70
The 2007 team has 0 MVPs and 5 NBA titles (3 from Kobe).

The '92 team had at the time they played had 12 NBA titles and 8 MVP awards.

also Drexler won a title a few years later, Brakley won an MVP, and lost to Jordan in the Finals Malone won an MVP and lost twice to Jordan in the Finals, Robinson went on to win 2 titles and an MVP.

The only 2 players on the '92 team who had their best days behind them were Magic and Bird. Most of the others guys had their best years ahead of them.

Advantage '92
 
#72
#72
Let's look at the "genetic freaks" from the 2007 roster.

Kobe, Lebron, Amare and Howard. That's 4.

Kidd, Redd, Deron Williams, Carmelo, Chandler, Billups and Mike Miller ARE NOT "genetic freaks" by NBA standards.

You don't think guys from the '90s lifted weights???

Jordan was known for his weight lifting and bulked up a lot from his early days, anyone who follows basketball knows this. David Robinson was ripped and Karl Malone was a freaking beast. Pippen was slender but muscular and certainly wouldn't be pushed around by Kobe. Barkley was a beast as well.

Many from the '92 team even played against Billups, Kidd, Kobe, Mike Miller etc.

Most of the guys from the '92 team played into the late '90s and early 2000's. The gap is not even close to as big as you are making it out to sound.
 
#73
#73
SmokeyVol said:
Also '92 Dream Team = Class
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This year's team has plenty of class.
That's the one thing the opponent's have been the most impressed with if you look at some quotes.
They have an incredible amount of respect for their opponents this year as opposed to some past teams.

Carmelo Anthony has also emerged as a true leader. He's grown up a lot playing on this USA team.
 
#74
#74
the main point that can't be argued is the competition...
The USA team of 2007-2008 actually has to lace em up and earn victories.
 
#75
#75
Not true either. The teams they faced did not have the best players on them.
 
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