USC fans all over Pete Carrol

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BigPapaVol said:
Upper echelon is only two conferences. The rest generally suck and those two up top are down this year. PAC 10 resides just below those two.
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So you think the PAC-10 generally sucks? I'm not saying they're great by any means. Generally not a lot of parity, and that might be an understatement. Just that they're not a weak conference this season.

I guess I am comparing them to the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, and the Big XII. With the Big XII as the only one of those that has been consistently putting out better teams.

With that as a standard, you could say the PAC-10 is one of the better conferences this season, and not weak. I could see where if you compared them to the SEC, and Big XII year in and year out, you wouldn't see them as a good conference. Maybe a flawed argument on my part.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I hate to admit that we agree. He has a defense full of busts and he has about bypassed the point of no return for coaches.

Beyond 10 seasons in one gig is a problem.
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Indeed. Just look at what CPF did from year 10 through last season.
 
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english_vol said:
after Florida Bama and LSU SEC = weak
Top to bottom theres a pretty good arguement that the PAC 10 is the best in the country
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Not really. It's just a bunch of teams capitalizing on USC's inability to dominate for the first time in a while.
 
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USC fans have no reason to grumble. With the exception of his first year, he had won the PAC 10 every year until this one. Not to mention USC was irrelevant before. USC fans who aren't happy need to just deal with this bad year and get on with it.
 
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tvolsfan said:
USC fans have no reason to grumble. With the exception of his first year, he had won the PAC 10 every year until this one. Not to mention USC was irrelevant before. USC fans who aren't happy need to just deal with this bad year and get on with it.
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Exactly, unlike what Pete has said before, you can't "win forever".
 
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the pac-10 is far better top to bottom this year than the SEC. exhibit A: tenn losing at home to the 9th placed pac-10 team.
 
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droski said:
the pac-10 is far better top to bottom this year than the SEC. exhibit A: tenn losing at home to the 9th placed pac-10 team.
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Stanford 51 Oregon 42
Stanford 55 USC 21
Wake Forrest 24 Stanford 17

Fail.
 
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droski said:
the pac-10 is far better top to bottom this year than the SEC.
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Only if you exclude the top. Once again, the best teams in the country, UF and Bama, are from the SEC. LSU has struggled at times but they are still a 2 loss team with those 2 losses coming to the 2 best teams. The PAC 10 is just a bunch of teams capitalizing on USC's first down year in a while.
 
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droski said:
the pac-10 is far better top to bottom this year than the SEC. exhibit A: tenn losing at home to the 9th placed pac-10 team.
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I can agree with this. After FLA, Bama, and LSU it is a huge drop-off. Who would be 4th? Arky? Auburn? USCjr? Ole Miss? That is pretty bad.

Say what you want about the PAC 10, but there is a lot of parity and their mid-tier and bottom feeders could beat ours, IMO. Our top tier teams our strong though, and the top 3 teams in the BCS would be undefeated in any conference, 2 of wich are SEC teams.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The PAC 10 is just a bunch of teams capitalizing on USC's first down year in a while.
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i respectfully disagree. that same sc team beat ohio state and ND on the road. stanford and oregon could beat any two teams in the country and arizona, cal, oregon state, and SC would beat most of the 2nd or 3rd placed teams in any league. it's a down year for most conferences and an up year for hte pac-10. i'm very much looking forward to oregon blowing out ohio state in the rose bowl.
 
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I think the biggest problem with our mid tier teams in the SEC is that from week to week you don't know what you're going to get. One week those mid tier teams hang tough with the best teams in the country, next week they lay an egg against lesser quality teams.

The point is it all depends which team shows up that day (especially true for the SEC). That Oregon team that you hope beats Ohio State was torn apart by Boise. Boise is a pretty good team, don't get me wrong, but I don't believe they are a serious BCS contender. USC is a victim of their own success. The PAC 10 is solid this year but they don't have that team that is head and shoulders above the rest.

I don't really believe the SEC is down all that much, there is a very real drop off but it isn't nearly as much as some have made it out to be in this thread.
 
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droski said:
i respectfully disagree. that same sc team beat ohio state and ND on the road. stanford and oregon could beat any two teams in the country and arizona, cal, oregon state, and SC would beat most of the 2nd or 3rd placed teams in any league. it's a down year for most conferences and an up year for hte pac-10. i'm very much looking forward to oregon blowing out ohio state in the rose bowl.
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Both OSU and ND are slightly above average at best. OSU capitalized on the worst Big 10 in recent memory.

I'm still not sure Stanford and Oregon could beat Florida and Alabama. I still won't be giving any credit to Cal. Arizona lost to Iowa.
 
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i'm not saying stanford and oregon are better than florida or alabama, just that both would give them very good games.

i know the stanford lost ot wake forest, but they were a very young team.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Both OSU and ND are slightly above average at best. OSU capitalized on the worst Big 10 in recent memory.

I'm still not sure Stanford and Oregon could beat Florida and Alabama. I still won't be giving any credit to Cal. Arizona lost to Iowa.
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I would put money down that Stanford could beat Florida on a good day. I think they match up well on paper. If Tennessee can keep it within 10 at Gainesville, Stanford definitely could beat them at home or on a neutral site. Florida seems to have a problem with efficient offenses and power running games.

I don't know of anybody that could beat Bama right now, outside of Texas.

Agreed on the OSU statement about the big 10.
 
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droski said:
i'm not saying stanford and oregon are better than florida or alabama, just that both would give them very good games.

i know the stanford lost ot wake forest, but they were a very young team.
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I agree, the same could be said for the Vol team that lost to UCLA. Perhaps we were not as young as Stanford in age but it was a rebuilding team under a new coach coming off a very bad stretch under Fulmer.
 
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rjd970 said:
I would put money down that Stanford could beat Florida on a good day. I think they match up well on paper. If Tennessee can keep it within 10 at Gainesville, Stanford definitely could beat them at home or on a neutral site. Florida seems to have a problem with efficient offenses and power running games.

I don't know of anybody that could beat Bama right now, outside of Texas.

Agreed on the OSU statement about the big 10.
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I agree, Florida has had to sweat out many games this year, the offense has taken a big step backward. Tebow carries that team on his back most of the time.

That being said I think Stanford would have to play their "a" game to win. It would be a win against a defense that would be the best they played all season. Funny saying that considering they played USC, known for strong defense. This year USC just doesn't seem to be playing up to par on either side of the ball.
 
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english_vol said:
The Big 12 this year is weak, Texas Oklahoma state and nobody. The North is a joke and the Sooners blow this year. The PAC10 easily crushes them
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The PAC 10 has been a little schizophrenic this year. Their top teams play very well then very poorly, not so sure I would say they crush the Big 12. I will agree that the Big 12 is anything but top heavy though.
 
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droski said:
the pac-10 is far better top to bottom this year than the SEC. exhibit A: tenn losing at home to the 9th placed pac-10 team.
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Not even close and I mean not even close...UT lost because CLK didn't have enough confidence in Crompton to let him throw.....Serious FAIL
 
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